Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    3:23 AM

Message Forum - Read Message

Category: Daily News Article Discussions > Topics Add to favorite topics  
Author Topic: N.Y. Natural gas tank ban questioned Back to Topics
Marson

Champion Author
Scranton

Posts:10,556
Points:2,402,415
Joined:Oct 2006
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 7:54:21 AM

ALBANY — In the four decades since 40 workers were killed by an explosion in a 108-foot-tall liquefied natural gas tank in Staten Island, New York has banned construction of such facilities.

It wasn’t a major issue over the years, without much demand for the fuel that’s created by chilling natural gas to an extremely low temperature to a liquid state. The state’s three existing LNG storage facilities, built on Long Island in the 1960s, remain in operation, exempt from the ban.

Now things have changed. Demand is rising as trucking companies switch from diesel fuel to LNG, which doesn’t produce the toxic fumes in diesel exhaust that are associated with smog, asthma, lung cancer and other health problems.

It’s also much cheaper than diesel because the abundance of natural gas produced by h
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
Profile Pic
BIGOILEATURCRUD
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:8,295
Points:1,714,505
Joined:Nov 2008
Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 12:15:24 AM

?
Profile Pic
oldmack
Champion Author Riverside

Posts:1,308
Points:139,215
Joined:Jan 2013
Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 12:01:37 AM

ok
Profile Pic
remay
Champion Author Houston

Posts:8,467
Points:2,445,315
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:47:51 PM

40 years is a long time ago - standards have changed, for the better, so you would THINK that they would be safer today.
Profile Pic
Robert44
Champion Author Columbus

Posts:4,511
Points:1,498,915
Joined:Mar 2004
Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:46:47 PM

Need to lift the ban, but they won't since they are such a NANNY State!!!
Profile Pic
TruthMatters
Champion Author New Jersey

Posts:3,338
Points:829,265
Joined:Oct 2011
Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:58:09 PM

CNG is one of the cheaper and cleaner alternatives to gasoline. By all means got to reexamine the issues
Profile Pic
MadFueler
Champion Author Winston-Salem

Posts:2,737
Points:507,935
Joined:Sep 2012
Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:13:02 AM

highdesertman: "Whenever a disaster happens, public outrage demands that governments pass new laws in response. Often these laws are hastily-conceived and have unintended consequences over time. This is such a case. The outright ban should be lifted and replaced by a set of reasonable but strict safety regulations."

Yes, this is definitely an example of overreaction to a disaster in which probably only a few safety issues needed to be addressed and reasonable regulations enacted and enforced. Instead, New York threw out the baby with the dirty bathwater. After 40 years, it's time to fully participate in this industry, but apply the lessons learned.
Profile Pic
Fleabite44
Champion Author Maryland

Posts:1,870
Points:390,560
Joined:Feb 2012
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:09:36 PM

No matter what energy source you use there are pros and cons -- just need to weigh them.
Profile Pic
Norm10
Champion Author British Columbia

Posts:4,325
Points:210,865
Joined:Dec 2010
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 12:49:34 PM

I should hope so!
Profile Pic
amerk73
Champion Author Dallas

Posts:8,719
Points:1,956,490
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 12:09:52 PM

need be cheap
Profile Pic
mastermariner
Champion Author Texas

Posts:11,389
Points:809,710
Joined:Jun 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 11:49:55 AM

I would like to think we have learned some thing in 40 years
Profile Pic
mitt4prez
Champion Author Tacoma

Posts:3,423
Points:1,575,270
Joined:Nov 2007
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 11:48:59 AM

"Better tanks and better processes now. It is time to rethink this one. "

But ONLY if it is litigated in court for years and years so Big Green' s lawyers get their cut, and Big Green can try to stop it, and federal judges can justify their existence.
Profile Pic
BBF_PFS
Champion Author Washington

Posts:1,291
Points:376,195
Joined:Jan 2013
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 11:31:35 AM

Better tanks and better processes now. It is time to rethink this one.
Profile Pic
jjjleblanc
Champion Author Rochester

Posts:7,520
Points:1,852,335
Joined:Jun 2008
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 11:14:03 AM

Time to take another look.
Profile Pic
fowlcan
Champion Author Oklahoma City

Posts:3,541
Points:1,008,825
Joined:Feb 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 10:40:17 AM

I agree! Time to give some education on this subject.
Profile Pic
grandmacbc
Champion Author Buffalo

Posts:8,161
Points:1,739,465
Joined:Oct 2008
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 10:34:11 AM

time to educate in safety!
Profile Pic
highdesertman
Champion Author Albuquerque

Posts:4,168
Points:2,051,450
Joined:Mar 2005
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 10:25:32 AM

Whenever a disaster happens, public outrage demands that governments pass new laws in response. Often these laws are hastily-conceived and have unintended consequences over time. This is such a case. The outright ban should be lifted and replaced by a set of reasonable but strict safety regulations.
Profile Pic
djgunrunner
Champion Author Salt Lake City

Posts:11,883
Points:2,677,845
Joined:Apr 2005
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:35:44 AM

Who is really behind the ban? Who will be hurt the most when the big trucks go to Natural Gas? Who besides the truck owners will benefit by using Natural Gas? When you answer these questions it will help make a decision.
Profile Pic
txrojo2005
Champion Author Austin

Posts:1,170
Points:759,050
Joined:May 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:28:28 AM

I agree with gbs1; "Time for them to revisit the issue. Most likely the tanks built today would be better than those built in the past. ".
Profile Pic
Ltdc
Champion Author Long Island

Posts:8,799
Points:1,993,920
Joined:Jul 2007
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:27:04 AM

NYC is one thing, but areas with low population is another.
Profile Pic
gbs1
Champion Author Minnesota

Posts:3,676
Points:1,078,025
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:26:09 AM

Time for them to revisit the issue. Most likely the tanks built today would be better than those built in the past.
Profile Pic
AVKZ
Champion Author Kalamazoo

Posts:1,818
Points:576,315
Joined:Apr 2012
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:07:37 AM

Unusual.
Profile Pic
Bobmilan
Champion Author Louisville

Posts:2,958
Points:804,200
Joined:Sep 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:00:54 AM

Regulators push switch from Diesel to Nat. Gas, then block storage tanks needed for gas supply.

NUTS.
Profile Pic
velichita
Champion Author New Jersey

Posts:1,565
Points:444,675
Joined:Dec 2012
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:54:54 AM

It took just four decades to make a decision... Wow!
Profile Pic
humblepie
Champion Author Toledo

Posts:48,833
Points:2,708,740
Joined:Mar 2006
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:48:17 AM

par for the course in most backward areas
Profile Pic
Bttlecat
Champion Author Oklahoma City

Posts:1,315
Points:230,430
Joined:Jan 2013
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:43:58 AM

time for change?
Profile Pic
radbadtz
Champion Author Halifax

Posts:1,142
Points:184,780
Joined:Jul 2013
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:40:08 AM

Frack on baby, Frack on!

[Edited by: radbadtz at 11/29/2013 8:40:04 AM EST]
Profile Pic
Chem60
Champion Author Tallahassee

Posts:6,155
Points:1,147,235
Joined:Oct 2010
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:37:50 AM

So pipelines are safer?
Profile Pic
CarefulDriver
Champion Author Ann Arbor

Posts:2,074
Points:554,645
Joined:Aug 2012
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:37:35 AM

I think New York should really consider lifting this ban, because it has, afterall, been four decades.
Profile Pic
jrschl
Champion Author Louisville

Posts:4,649
Points:1,016,715
Joined:Jun 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:36:32 AM

I think they need to revisit this ban.i think we have made a lot of progress in the last 40 yeasts.
Profile Pic
reidlej
Champion Author Columbus

Posts:1,558
Points:929,375
Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:33:49 AM

How long do they let irrational fear go on?
Profile Pic
cjaffe
All-Star Author Tucson

Posts:944
Points:220,430
Joined:Nov 2012
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:28:06 AM

Still in the dark ages.
Profile Pic
el_fr
Champion Author Massachusetts

Posts:5,022
Points:1,082,430
Joined:Apr 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:21:02 AM

Time to lift the ban
Profile Pic
jdda
All-Star Author Alberta

Posts:870
Points:549,050
Joined:Jul 2009
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:19:48 AM

Cheap, abundant, and better for the environment what more could you ask for
Profile Pic
EnviroChemist
Champion Author Oklahoma

Posts:2,552
Points:545,285
Joined:Oct 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:16:02 AM

Another example of government attempting to over protect the populous and inadvertently stymieing growth, a nanny government is not needed.
Profile Pic
bar1035
Champion Author Charlotte

Posts:11,734
Points:1,633,645
Joined:Aug 2006
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:06:56 AM

Don't know about most cities, but they have them on the gulf coast.
Profile Pic
skempton
Champion Author Vermont

Posts:2,741
Points:1,155,645
Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:04:54 AM

Most other cities have them.
Profile Pic
lesabreAZ
Champion Author Phoenix

Posts:3,325
Points:741,845
Joined:Nov 2011
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:01:17 AM

wow what will UPS do? throw money at it?
Profile Pic
grandpadon28110
Champion Author Charlotte

Posts:6,395
Points:1,476,285
Joined:Sep 2008
Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 7:59:18 AM

Politics.
Post a reply Back to Topics