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Marson
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 7:54:21 AM

ALBANY — In the four decades since 40 workers were killed by an explosion in a 108-foot-tall liquefied natural gas tank in Staten Island, New York has banned construction of such facilities.

It wasn’t a major issue over the years, without much demand for the fuel that’s created by chilling natural gas to an extremely low temperature to a liquid state. The state’s three existing LNG storage facilities, built on Long Island in the 1960s, remain in operation, exempt from the ban.

Now things have changed. Demand is rising as trucking companies switch from diesel fuel to LNG, which doesn’t produce the toxic fumes in diesel exhaust that are associated with smog, asthma, lung cancer and other health problems.

It’s also much cheaper than diesel because the abundance of natural gas produced by h
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BIGOILEATURCRUD
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 12:15:24 AM

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oldmack
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2013 12:01:37 AM

ok
remay
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:47:51 PM

40 years is a long time ago - standards have changed, for the better, so you would THINK that they would be safer today.
Robert44
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 11:46:47 PM

Need to lift the ban, but they won't since they are such a NANNY State!!!
TruthMatters
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 10:58:09 PM

CNG is one of the cheaper and cleaner alternatives to gasoline. By all means got to reexamine the issues
MadFueler
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2013 9:13:02 AM

highdesertman: "Whenever a disaster happens, public outrage demands that governments pass new laws in response. Often these laws are hastily-conceived and have unintended consequences over time. This is such a case. The outright ban should be lifted and replaced by a set of reasonable but strict safety regulations."

Yes, this is definitely an example of overreaction to a disaster in which probably only a few safety issues needed to be addressed and reasonable regulations enacted and enforced. Instead, New York threw out the baby with the dirty bathwater. After 40 years, it's time to fully participate in this industry, but apply the lessons learned.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 1:09:36 PM

No matter what energy source you use there are pros and cons -- just need to weigh them.
Norm10
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 12:49:34 PM

I should hope so!
amerk73
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 12:09:52 PM

need be cheap
mastermariner
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 11:49:55 AM

I would like to think we have learned some thing in 40 years
mitt4prez
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 11:48:59 AM

"Better tanks and better processes now. It is time to rethink this one. "

But ONLY if it is litigated in court for years and years so Big Green' s lawyers get their cut, and Big Green can try to stop it, and federal judges can justify their existence.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 11:31:35 AM

Better tanks and better processes now. It is time to rethink this one.
jjjleblanc
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 11:14:03 AM

Time to take another look.
fowlcan
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 10:40:17 AM

I agree! Time to give some education on this subject.
grandmacbc
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 10:34:11 AM

time to educate in safety!
highdesertman
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 10:25:32 AM

Whenever a disaster happens, public outrage demands that governments pass new laws in response. Often these laws are hastily-conceived and have unintended consequences over time. This is such a case. The outright ban should be lifted and replaced by a set of reasonable but strict safety regulations.
djgunrunner
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:35:44 AM

Who is really behind the ban? Who will be hurt the most when the big trucks go to Natural Gas? Who besides the truck owners will benefit by using Natural Gas? When you answer these questions it will help make a decision.
txrojo2005
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:28:28 AM

I agree with gbs1; "Time for them to revisit the issue. Most likely the tanks built today would be better than those built in the past. ".
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:27:04 AM

NYC is one thing, but areas with low population is another.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:26:09 AM

Time for them to revisit the issue. Most likely the tanks built today would be better than those built in the past.
AVKZ
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:07:37 AM

Unusual.
Bobmilan
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 9:00:54 AM

Regulators push switch from Diesel to Nat. Gas, then block storage tanks needed for gas supply.

NUTS.
velichita
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:54:54 AM

It took just four decades to make a decision... Wow!
humblepie
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:48:17 AM

par for the course in most backward areas
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:43:58 AM

time for change?
radbadtz
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:40:08 AM

Frack on baby, Frack on!

[Edited by: radbadtz at 11/29/2013 8:40:04 AM EST]
Chem60
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:37:50 AM

So pipelines are safer?
CarefulDriver
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:37:35 AM

I think New York should really consider lifting this ban, because it has, afterall, been four decades.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:36:32 AM

I think they need to revisit this ban.i think we have made a lot of progress in the last 40 yeasts.
reidlej
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:33:49 AM

How long do they let irrational fear go on?
TucsonC
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:28:06 AM

Still in the dark ages.
el_fr
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:21:02 AM

Time to lift the ban
jdda
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:19:48 AM

Cheap, abundant, and better for the environment what more could you ask for
EnviroChemist
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:16:02 AM

Another example of government attempting to over protect the populous and inadvertently stymieing growth, a nanny government is not needed.
bar1035
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:06:56 AM

Don't know about most cities, but they have them on the gulf coast.
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:04:54 AM

Most other cities have them.
lesabreAZ
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 8:01:17 AM

wow what will UPS do? throw money at it?
grandpadon28110
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Message Posted: Nov 29, 2013 7:59:18 AM

Politics.
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