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DavisSta

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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 5:36:13 AM

In what may be California's last chance to build a "hydrogen highway" lined with thousands of high-tech vehicles emitting nothing but water vapor from their tailpipes, Gov. Jerry Brown has approved a plan to construct 100 hydrogen fueling stations across the state by 2024.

However, it comes with a catch. Motorists--not oil companies--will pay for it.

Only a year ago, the California Air Resources Board required Big Oil to pay for the new stations. But after oil companies threatened to sue, Brown agreed to a compromise ...
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Canucktree
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 10:33:07 AM

What ever makes sense,
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 5:43:11 AM

sounds like typical CA...
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wang91554
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:45:09 AM

let's see a few hydrogen cars first, shall we?
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BeeDee53
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:17:41 AM

Big Oil to pay ,threatens to sue, so the government compromises. Is this "government of the people, by the corporations, for the corporations? " I pledge allegiance to Exxon-Mobile....?
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regout
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:13:20 AM

The future will bring a lot of new technology.
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heartbroken2010
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:08:41 AM

Hmm, how intersting, pay the driver pay. as if.
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bolobill
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:05:33 AM

ok
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bvrbill
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:03:30 AM

Will consumers buy enough of these vehicles to make this necessary?
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rahcat
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:02:38 AM

Old News
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ManOfLeisureII
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:02:18 AM

Can you say 'Hindenburg'?
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 12:00:48 AM

Good luck.
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gta_guy
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:57:54 PM

Interesting idea
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SavALot
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:57:39 PM

pay dearly in fact
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Taurus1
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:56:24 PM

You will pay one way or another.
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Buffalo Joe
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There will be no free lunch.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:50:19 PM

Government finding ways to squeeze more money from us.
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Keepingoin
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:48:48 PM

You pay for it - one way or the other. The government and your taxes or the fuel companies and what they will charge you for the hydrogen.
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DragonLady76
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:41:28 PM

ANOTHER CALI DISASTER AWAITS!
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dlemma
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:41:06 PM

More "green" energy projects that require you be taxed to stay in business.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:38:53 PM

Whatever
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:36:25 PM

ok
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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:34:41 PM

The oil companies are too bogged down in their own oil to realize that they're "energy companies" and try to get into as many means of producing energy as possible. Not a threat, but an opportunity.

Granted, there's a limited market for this as of yet. A better way, I would think, is for the car companies producing these hydrogen fuel cell cars to take the initiative as Tesla is doing with electric charging stations and build some themselves.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:33:43 PM

Consumer pay for everything anyway. Sometimes the cost is hidden, sometimes open. Either way, we pay for everything.
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ldiggy
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:33:14 PM

It's always something going on in California.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:32:56 PM

Sounds good.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:29:37 PM

I have a feeling this will go over most like a lead balloon.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:29:27 PM

Hmm.
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b3ttyb00p
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:29:26 PM

Interesting
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:29:18 PM

Interesting
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:27:58 PM

Different!
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dadown
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:27:01 PM

Why waste money on hydrogen fuel stations when there is no market for it yet and its less efficient than plain electric?
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:26:44 PM

More "green" energy projects that require you be taxed to stay in business.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:24:36 PM

Nobody rides for free unless Pres. Obama says they can!
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:21:35 PM

nothing new always pay
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:21:18 PM

pay + pay + pay
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:18:36 PM

We always have to pay....
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:18:13 PM

They ought to be investing in electric charging stations. That's technology that has proven itself. Hydrogen as a mainstream fuel is still a long way off.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:17:07 PM

always
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:16:57 PM

I'll pass.
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Rhino8of8
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:16:36 PM

Possibly a good idea, so FORCE motorists to pay for it.
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Barfood
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:15:40 PM

Why not charge a tax on hydrogen cars sold in the state to pay for the infrastructure requirements.
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DrLyon
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:13:16 PM

Should be private industry....
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Robert44
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:11:35 PM

STUPIDITY!!! Another reason to never visit California!!! I though buy 2016 CA would-be bankruptcy, it could happen sooner!!!
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emernal
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:10:25 PM

I would love to have a hydrogen car. New solar cells being developed will create hydrogen directly from the sun so it can be stored in a tank buried in your yard. Then use a fuel cell to power the house day or night and you can refuel your car. Safer than gasoline.

Something to look forward to.

[Edited by: emernal at 10/13/2013 11:11:23 PM EST]
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mrski22
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:09:06 PM

Nonsense
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:09:00 PM

California's liberal tree hugger environmentalist wackos will always find a way to finance their crack-pot "green" plans...

Glad I don't live there!!!
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:08:22 PM

They've been calling the Governor Moonbeam since the 70's.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:07:50 PM

Only in California
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Pass
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:05:02 PM

Interesting. . .
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