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DoctorV

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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 7:08:02 PM

Initial investigations following a 20,600-barrel leak on Tesoro Logistics LP pipeline in North Dakota point to corrosion on the 20-year-old pipeline, state regulators said on Friday.

Initial concerns that the pipeline was punctured by nearby residents were dismissed and the cause appears to be corrosion on the pipeline, according to Brian Kalk, chairman of the state Public Service Commission.

"It started out as a small hole and got bigger," Kalk said.

The pipeline, which runs 35 miles from Tioga to Black Slough in North Dakota, was built by BP Plc in 1993. It is a part of Tesoro's "High Plains" pipeline system in North Dakota and Montana that gathers oil from the Bakken shale and delivers it to another Enbridge pipeline and Tesoro's 68,000 bpd Mandan refinery.Tesoro bought t
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POWERSTROKE7.3L
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 8:46:02 AM

Duh.
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TruthMatters
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 8:42:54 AM

That's a high possibility
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gs7101
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 7:26:15 AM

Typical speculation in effect; no one knows for sure.
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 9:07:05 PM


Nicoalbum: Like there's never a human error?

Error has little to do with these oil spills. Corporate executives make the decision to skimp on safety to shave a few dollars, and the result is a disaster that was preventable.
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goldrose1
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 6:34:55 PM

ok
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Nicoalbum
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 5:02:11 PM

Like there's never a human error?
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drpepperTX
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"Why keystone is not a good idea."
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No it is not. The Keystone XL technology is much safer. Plus we need much more information on the cause of this accident before making any judgements.
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c0wb0y
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 10:31:43 AM

A 20-year-old pipeline should not be corroded to failure if it's properly installed and maintained.
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merlinCO
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 10:15:00 AM

Why keystone is not a good idea.
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GasPriceHelp4u
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 10:10:29 AM

Its a natural phenomenon!!!
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 10:04:12 AM

A new pipeline every twenty years would be so cost prohibitive that it would never be built in the first place.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 9:55:21 AM

If true, it seems remarkably under designed.
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EnviroChemist
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 9:35:27 AM

The effects of this spill could have been lessened by simple flow and pressure monitoring. Allowing a leak to continue for four days, seems a bit much.
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 9:22:22 AM

DoctorV, if a pipeline from a particular pipeline company leaks disasterously after TWENTY YEARS due to internal or external corrosion, then a replacement plan of well under TWENTY YEARS for that pipeline company is needed.

So, evilmaddog may be off on the timing a bit--but not that much. Evilmaddog is not 'drunk' at all--just stating the obvious requirement.

So, enquiring why SOME pipelines can last 60-70 years without problems like blowouts (with sensible and continuous inspection and preventative maintenance) but others are good for less than 20 years and leak/blowout with huge consequences "without warning" (HA!!!) is a whole big issue and will take lots of research, testing, inspection, and yes, hawk-like outside oversight since the industry can't seem to get its frigging act together and police itself. I'm guessing that 'cheapest supplier' and 'no pre-build' inspection' and 'no oversight of work completed' and 'no ongoing inspection or maintenance' and 'extremely high executive pay while laughing all the way to the bank' might have just a tiny bit to do with this...but its just a supposition on my part.

This just validated why 'trusting the free market' to do the right thing in all cases is complete and expensive utter nonsense. THAT is why 'non-controlled by industry third party oversight and review' is needed. Usually, that is supplied by 'government' Ask West, Texas, Lac-Megantic, Quebec and anyone who has lost family from tainted food how lack of proper oversight and dumbed down rules works for them.

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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 8:31:59 AM

Evilmaddog: "change pipe every 10yrs"

Are you drunk?
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Evilmaddog
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 7:53:14 AM

change pipe every 10yrs
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gs7101
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 7:45:12 AM

Yeah, right; any excuse is better than none.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 7:42:55 AM

Got to monitor
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 7:08:28 AM

Sigh...
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 6:06:13 AM

Well, duh!
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 5:47:12 AM

BP will pay for the entire clean up or ?
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 4:37:46 AM

Another fine BP mess except this time they won't have to pay to clean it up.

[Edited by: johnpuh at 10/13/2013 4:38:43 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 4:05:27 AM

ok
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pricewar
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 3:48:43 AM

Wow! Inspections would help
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 3:13:26 AM

Another mess brought to you by BP.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 2:39:49 AM

After 20 years, corrosion makes sense.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 2:37:47 AM

Bad Mtce. can also problems.
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OHMS
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 2:18:41 AM

electrons do what electrons do
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Dolfankai
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:59:41 AM

Corrosion! You gotta be kidding me. No P.M.'s?
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:54:19 AM

It was a relatively benign wake up call, as no ground water, rivers, or lakes were involved. I'll bet they get to inspect the entire line, and fix any other problems before it is put back into service.
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bart_reed
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:47:51 AM

Lack of good maintenance.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:45:16 AM

Probably Chinese steel. They own 11% of our steel factories.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:44:54 AM

Maintenance
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:36:30 AM

Another article went a little deeper and stated the corrosion occurred from outside of the pipe section.
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roadrunnerMO
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:20:11 AM

Thought there were safety measures in effect to monitor pressure in lines.
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JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:17:39 AM

Pipes do need to be replaced. They are not forever.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:08:45 AM

I did buy a car a while back and it was an old car from that area and it had no rust so (corrosion) maybe!
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:08:13 AM

Great work
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silverfoxv65
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:05:50 AM

Well what would you expect, i am old and corrosion is setting in also.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:04:03 AM

Say it ain't so --

Sure, blame it on residents initially --

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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:03:50 AM

what happened to monitoring??
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:41:58 AM

What do you mean when you say maybe?
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:40:25 AM

What do u expect!!
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:35:51 AM

ALL pipelines are Subject to Corrosion since the moving fluid inherently carries water and other corrosive hydrocarbons concurrently...
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:27:12 AM

More inspections needed
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:25:09 AM

See? No more pipelines.
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:19:30 AM

"I wonder how many spills on railroads it takes to equal 20,600 barrels?"

Probably about 20 rail cars, fully emptied.
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:18:53 AM

This is sad
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:14:53 AM

Seriously???? It started out as small hole and got bigger?

What a brilliant statement by yet another government figure.

Is he sure it was not a big hole which got globbed up and shrunk and spawned a bunch of smaller holes to avoid detection???
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:10:02 AM

There are always risks when moving anything.
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