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DoctorV

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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 12:02:28 PM

The Environmental Protection Agency on Friday sought to calm a furor over its apparent proposal to reduce ethanol use in gasoline next year, saying that no final decisions had been made about the contentious mandate.

On Thursday, Reuters and other news outlets reported on EPA documents that showed the agency proposing an unexpected drop in the amount of corn-based ethanol that would be required for blending next year, a historic retreat from the 2007 biofuel law and a major victory for the oil industry."

At this point, EPA is only developing a draft proposal," EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy said in a statement in the agency's first public response to the reports.

The EPA documents seen by Reuters could not be independently verified. They were dated Aug. 26 and Sept. 6, around
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oldmack
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 2:21:20 AM

ok
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Oct 14, 2013 1:45:45 AM

Kill the ethanol mandate!
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Jeff4U
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 11:43:14 PM

EPA is on vacation... hooray!!!
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 10:36:06 PM

EPA needs to be put in check
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 10:46:41 AM

True VMIJim, liberal Eco-imperial slight of hand is rampant.
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ss70
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 10:14:17 AM

good for e85
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VMIJim
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 8:58:11 AM

Anything coming out of Oblamer's EPA should be viewed with skepticism due to all of the Administration's lies, coverups, scandals, & Chicken Little approach to the govt shutdown & debt ceiling. Give me a freaking break!!
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 8:33:24 AM

Do what, scu227?
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scu227
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 8:25:14 AM

Stop talking and just do it !!!!!!
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werich44
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 5:22:52 AM

Don't worry, we can always count on the EPA to do the WRONG thing.
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JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:19:24 AM

BURN GASOLINE, NOT FOOD.
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KAR120CSII
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 1:13:40 AM

Say it ain't so --
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el_fr
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Message Posted: Oct 13, 2013 12:30:35 AM

Get rid of ethanol
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Tekkersmom57
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 11:52:25 PM

When has the EPA ever been trustworthy?
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BigRedVTX
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 9:12:00 PM

Let's hand it to the EPA, they really know how to lead someone on (kind of like the government talks about the current stalemate).
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windup
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 7:17:06 PM

So another mess.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 6:53:55 PM

evowner opines, "Why would a media group purposely report a non-event? It must be the pressure to be the first to report and not verify their sources."
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LOL, it's done all the time! Just look at the media reports on hydraulic fracturing!
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doggod
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 6:33:09 PM

Sounds like the usual political back-pedaling to me. They floated the announcement, now they're acting on the feedback. It has nothing to do with the merits of anything and everything to do with the careers of the politicians and bureaucrats involved.

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MrLefty0706
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 5:58:26 PM

Use the corn to feed the hungry.
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ktbaeohana
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 5:57:03 PM

WATCH AND SEE.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 5:54:20 PM

On Oct 12, 2013 3:32:04 PM, streetdesign wrote from Illinois:

>No to ethanol.

Why not? Just because you say so? IMHO, you are probably not technically knowledgeable enough to rewrite ASTM D 4814. When you are, you might have some legitimate standing in this discussion.

>The EPA lives in the stone age as they insist on pushing
>ethanol which is a waste of corn.

Ever heard of dried distillers' grain? It's what's left of the corn after they produce fuel ethanol. So far, it's only fed to cattle. Great stuff, lots of protein.

>There are people starving around the world

So you really think we should feed the world rather than teaching them to feed themselves? You must be a DemocRAT food stamp fanboy.

>and they waste corn for fuel which is harmful to vehicles

Vehicles have been E-10 compatible for thirty years. If you can find a vehicle that has trouble with E-10, you'll invariably find it has the same kind of troubles with E-0 EPA test gasoline.

>in addition to obtaining poor MPG.

A canard unless you're going for sheer run range on a tank of gas. Me? My endurance is less than my vehicle's. I usually put in about $15 at a time when I'm traveling just to get out and stretch.

>Isn't that enough reason to STOP using it.

No, it is not. EPA did not come up with the rationale for using oxygenates out of whole cloth. Guess you people in Illinois must really dig high carbon monoxide levels. Probably the reason you foisted Barack Obama off on the rest of the country.
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wrunner
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 5:46:40 PM

More smoke and mirrors from the bait and switch gang.

Keep your enemies close, keep the EPA closer.

In God we trust, with the EPA we do not.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 5:38:57 PM

On Oct 12, 2013 4:05:29 PM, rubiconbill wrote:

>Sure would like to see the Government stay out of it.
>Let the market decide without any tax subsidies or "rules".

About ten nanoseconds after living under a system where "let the market decide" rules, you would be whining for the Government to bring back good old fashioned consumer protection.

We had "let the market decide" in the past and the market was proven to be untrustworthy. Greed is almost always mutually exclusive with the public good. If it was up to the market, Twinkies would be even more of a mystery food than they are already.

Or would you prefer the antibiotic where the manufacturer realized it was soluble in glycol and so they marketed a toxic concoction? Big Pharma killed a number of patients with that stunt.

Big Business is to be trusted about as far as I can pick up and throw a Boeing 747.
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txequitygas
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 5:20:16 PM

Why isn't the EPA shut down? Permanently!
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rubiconbill
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 5:05:29 PM

Sure would like to see the Government stay out of it. Let the market decide without any tax subsidies or "rules".
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streetdesign
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 4:32:04 PM

No to ethanol. The EPA lives in the stone age as they insist on pushing ethanol which is a waste of corn. There are people starving around the world and they waste corn for fuel which is harmful to vehicles in addition to obtaining poor MPG. Isn't that enough reason to STOP using it.
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Jeff1944
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 4:31:37 PM

It is too bad the EPA cannot be trusted. But, that has been true going back to the late 60's and early 70's.
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PathfinderSC
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 4:08:46 PM

And tell me again why I should trust the EPA??
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evowner
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 3:22:28 PM

Why would a media group purposely report a non-event? It must be the pressure to be the first to report and not verify their sources.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 2:50:31 PM

On Oct 12, 2013 11:13:51 AM, Taxrefugee wrote:

>Another case of the media getting it wrong

Media has been getting it wrong ever since the Chicago Tribune ran "Dewey Defeats Truman."
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 2:47:04 PM

On Oct 12, 2013 1:30:43 PM, csblesson wrote:

>Why do they have all the power?

Because they obtained it from the implied consent of the governed.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 2:35:35 PM

more bait and switch from obama's rogue epa
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csblesson
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 2:30:43 PM

Why do they have all the power?
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 2:25:52 PM

It's called dangling the carrot.
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 2:18:24 PM

Do the right thing
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Lugi1967
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 2:17:57 PM

Do the right thing
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scu227
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 2:06:07 PM

Just do it !!!!
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CocoPaz
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 2:02:23 PM

"Industry Group Cries Foul": sounds like it is for the birds...
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 1:35:40 PM

"Time will tell"

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Night Owl
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 1:27:28 PM

No more corn ethanol.
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drz614
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 1:19:04 PM

tell your reps to repeal the mandate
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mitt4prez
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 1:18:06 PM

"Time will tell"

No. Campaign contributions and sticking it to a politically disfavored industry will tell.
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 1:02:55 PM

Time will tell
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gumbyrex
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 12:35:33 PM

Hmmm... what's really going on here. What's the rest of the story.
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mcg00
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 12:15:40 PM

shows to go ya!
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Taxrefugee
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2013 12:13:51 PM

Another case of the media getting it wrong or the greenies forcing the EPA to retreat from one of their rare moments of common sense?
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