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WonderfulMI

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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:12:56 PM

Residential customers of DTE Electric may see their $3 monthly surcharge fall to 43 cents under a plan pending with state regulators. Consumers Energy's 52-cent monthly fee for residential customers — which previously fell from $2.50 — could go away entirely next year.

The lower surcharges for green energy are cheering proponents who say they are another reason Michigan should make utilities sell more electricity generated from wind or other renewable sources.

"The major takeaway is that renewables are getting demonstrably cheaper and costing ratepayers less and less," said Ryan Werder, deputy director of the Michigan League of Conservation Voters. "You have so much more of the state able to support wind power because of new technology and wind turbines, which opens up more opportunity
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oldmack
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2013 3:20:21 AM

ok
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heydano67
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2013 1:58:48 AM

good that they are holding their own
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2013 1:26:14 AM

Less government mandated fees is good.
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drobbbb
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 7:29:48 PM

good for everyone all around
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 4:04:31 PM


The repeal of these taxes are long overdue.
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bston
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:22:04 PM

Good & hope the fees stay gone.
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leeac
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 5:58:49 AM

Green energy should be encouraged.
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djgunrunner
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 3:36:26 AM

The green energy product should either fly or flop by themselves without having any subsidies. They should not have had them in the first place.
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KAR120CSII
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 1:17:11 AM

Finally --

Paid premium rates for 10 years in Colorado --

and they say wind is free?
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alterman156
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 1:11:35 AM

Good. No unnecessary charges.
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dumba55
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:41:23 AM

good
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JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:20:36 AM

They need to.
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cheapchickKY
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:08:33 AM

Good.
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amerk73
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:40:55 PM

save for few month
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:37:23 PM

There should never have been the surcharge to begin with,
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deputydog082
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 10:36:48 PM

good to save a few $$$
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Zuegma
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 10:04:07 PM

The real cost of subsidising all the "part time" energy alternatives will become far more apparent when current supplier from conventional sources have been pushed to shut down and more and more services can't be provided anymore.
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velichita
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 8:42:52 PM

Good to know.
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pleinyeux
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 8:42:41 PM

Why to pay extra for green energy in the future
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sickhp
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 8:13:55 PM

I do not need to pay any extra for green energy.
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carrek
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 8:11:06 PM

This is Michigan's campaign, but where I live (Puget Sound Energy in Washington state) you can also buy green power.
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doggod
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 7:06:31 PM

Methinks the drop in surcharges reflects but a chimera coming from the Federal subsidies. If wind and solar had to compete really, it couldn't.

To bad, because it would be nice. But there are those pesky laws of physics.

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DOS
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 6:16:00 PM

It's interesting that the cost of bringing new solar power online is now cheaper than bringing on new coal-fired plants.

"In February, the state Public Service Commission reported that Michigan had seen more than $1.8 billion in economic investment because of the 2008 law mandating the development of solar, wind, biomass or hydropower. The agency also said the cost of renewable energy continues to decline and is cheaper than bringing new coal-fired plants online." - From the article

But I couldn't help notice that part of renewable energy price advantage is do to Federal Tax credits. So, in effect, Federal Taxpayers are paying to build generating capacity for the utilities, which is saving the ratepayers from being asked to pay for that with the extra fees.

"The Jackson-based utility adds that the main reason it can drop the surcharge from 52 cents to nothing is because it is speeding up construction of a wind farm in the Thumb region to qualify for a 10-year, $100 million federal tax credit. If not for the subsidy, the cost of renewable energy would not drop as much, according to the company." - From the article

I'm also a little skeptical of blanket percentage mandates. I'm more of a Net-Metering fan. I think that if Taxpayers are going to be funding "Tax credits" to pay for generating capacity, then I'd rather see those credits going to help encourage more distributed generation.



[Edited by: DOS at 8/19/2013 6:17:48 PM EST]
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ktbaeohana
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 5:59:11 PM

good news.
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RAE344
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 5:39:44 PM

Green energy fees are not disappearing, they are just hiding it better.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 5:36:05 PM

good
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APlus
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 4:46:54 PM

Regulations and EPA are still costing more on our utility bills
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comprof
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 4:39:14 PM

OK
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kag2010
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 4:20:36 PM

interesting..
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gizbo123
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:24:52 PM

It will not be cheap for long like everything else, once your hooked they got ya. And for green ppl, cap the 202 volcanoes and we will talk of phoney man caused warming which is good for food growing by the way. In the 70's before Al Gore invented carbon credits company to make him a half a billionaire, it was global cooling. Now they call it climate change to match the cycles the weather goes through since forever. And the cycles are caused by the sun's 11 year cycle. Look it up.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:23:35 PM

Good
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Eugenian
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:21:44 PM

The fees should be eliminated entirely. It makes no sense to charge someone extra for doing the right thing.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:13:06 PM

that's too bad, they should be raised not waved
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HorizonChaser
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:12:09 PM

Just in MI or everywhere?
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teafortwo
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:04:24 PM


As the new clean technology matures and expands it will get cheaper and cheaper.

Especially as initial equipment investments are paid off.

Big oil absolutely hates that.

"The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil industry does not own the sun."

~ Ralph Nader, quoted in Linda Botts, ed., Loose Talk, 1980

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fedupMN
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 2:01:38 PM

They have just rolled that factor into the price.
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MINIWINI598
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:57:56 PM

interesting..
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evowner
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:54:21 PM

Since the surcharge is being dropped, the price of renewables is competitive?
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MidNJ
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:33:39 PM

Renewable energy production is still in its infancy. However it is the future and it is great to know that costs to produce are less.
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Taxrefugee
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:30:24 PM

AZ Public Service is trying to stick it to the solar crowd with a high fee.
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hmw10284
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 1:05:51 PM

From a UK government commisioned study on cost effective power generation.

"Gas-fired power is the most cost-effective in the short term, while nuclear power stations become the most cost-efficient in the medium term, more than twice as cost-effective as wind.

The report concludes: ‘Wind power is expensive and yet is not effective in cutting CO2 emissions.

‘If it were not for the renewables targets, wind power would not even be entertained as a cost-effective way of generating electricity or cutting emissions. The renewables target should be renegotiated with the EU.’
The study attacks Government claims that wind power is one of the more cost-effective means of generating power. In fact, it says, it is ‘unreliable and requires conventional back-up capacity’.Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084046/Wind-power-does-value-money-unreliable-requires-gas-stations.html#ixzz2cR44lUBC
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:57:35 PM

ok
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hmw10284
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:56:41 PM

not if you have solar panels - many utilities and states are adding fees for the maintenance of the power grid for those with solar or wind generation who are connected to the grid - many of these fees are $100/month or more
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traffic cop
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:55:48 PM

About time! The only thing that is "sustained" with "sustainable energy" or goes "green" are the profits of DNC insiders and crony capitalists.
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livedream
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:54:50 PM

Shrinking surcharges is a good thing. A smaller energy bill is always better than a rate increase.
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jamofsocal
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:28:08 PM

Oh really?


Wind power 'does not give value for money'


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USMCturtlehead
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 12:17:05 PM

About time. But I'm sure energy company will ask for a price increase.
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