Not Logged In Log In   Sign Up   Points Leaders
Follow Us    5:18 PM

Message Forum - Read Message

Category: Daily News Article Discussions > Topics Add to favorite topics  
Author Topic: What Is the EPA Doing With Your Gasoline? Back to Topics
xgojim

Champion Author
Michigan

Posts:1,680
Points:868,135
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 7:04:29 AM

It may be easy to question now at the height of an American energy boom, but the Environmental Protection Agency had good intentions when it announced the Renewable Fuel Standard in 2005. At the time, energy independence seemed like a pipe dream, domestic fuel consumption was hitting record highs each year, and the nation's auto fleet was by no means topping the charts in efficiency. Many experts questioned whether the nation would ever be free of imported oil. Igniting a national biofuels industry could have huge implications if the EPA was successful. What did the country have to lose? Agribusiness giants such as Archer Daniels Midland went all-in on the new corn ethanol industry, using their massive distribution network to supply billions of gallons of fuel each year. Even refiners
Visit The Motley Fool for full article
REPLIES (newest first) Post a Reply
Profile Pic
teenitup
Champion Author Houston

Posts:4,244
Points:686,660
Joined:Sep 2012
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 11:36:22 PM

They are screwing it up.
Profile Pic
HawaiianGuy
Champion Author Idaho

Posts:11,680
Points:3,527,155
Joined:May 2003
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 10:42:07 PM

EPA: "Ethanol Promotion Agency"
Profile Pic
endymion
Champion Author New York

Posts:2,473
Points:506,295
Joined:Nov 2012
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 10:09:12 PM

Farm states have been lobbying for ethanol to support corn prices.
Profile Pic
bston
Champion Author Oklahoma City

Posts:3,931
Points:1,098,200
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:14:24 PM

Ethanol is bad for vehicles & epa is even worse for US.
Profile Pic
blupupher
Champion Author Houston

Posts:5,758
Points:1,203,210
Joined:Feb 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 9:01:38 AM

they are making it give me less miles per gallon and paying more for it.
Profile Pic
BEGTWO
Champion Author Maryland

Posts:3,831
Points:1,150,580
Joined:Sep 2010
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 8:08:15 AM

Dion't know?
Profile Pic
GoGoGoodyear
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:4,071
Points:749,910
Joined:Mar 2010
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 2:59:11 AM


The EPA and the current administration in Washington still insist on forcing the use of ethanol/gasoline blends despite EPA research showing that it is not as effective at reaching any of the stated goals as was once believed.

You can see how powerful the corporate agricultural lobbyists are when even the auto industry has spoken against higher ethanol use yet the push for more ethanol continues.
Profile Pic
RogerB
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:20,444
Points:3,077,295
Joined:Dec 2005
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 1:11:52 AM

- Very Interesting . . . .








Profile Pic
Amplion
Champion Author Oregon

Posts:9,029
Points:2,296,840
Joined:Sep 2005
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:42:12 AM

BAN ETHANOL

SHUT DOWN EPA
Profile Pic
TIGERPAW46
Champion Author Florida

Posts:9,296
Points:1,798,435
Joined:Mar 2004
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:39:09 AM

Ethanol is no good for the Environment or lessening the Gasoline used.

Ethanol has a lower BTU output burned than reg. Gasoline so you get less MPG even in post 2007 vehicles designed to endure Ethanol.

It has caused over destruction of Trees cleared for Ethanol fuel Crops causing more co2 accumulation than if we had stayed with reg gasoline without Ethanol.

It has caused higher land prices leading to even higher food prices due to cost of land.

It has contributed to worse Global food shortages due to land being used to make more money on selling crops for Ethanol than growing food for human consumption.

All this is just for starters, because there are even more reasons they should stop Ethanol. Instead Pres Obama signed a bill early this year to increase the % Ethanol in Gasoline.

To stop Ethanol you have to get Obama out of Office.
Profile Pic
SteveHawk
Champion Author Ontario

Posts:2,028
Points:461,770
Joined:Nov 2009
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:31:33 AM

GET RID OF ETHANOL FOR GOD SAKE IT DESTROYING SMALL ENGINES WASTE OF MONEY E15 BS
Profile Pic
Kawibiker
Champion Author Illinois

Posts:1,894
Points:355,985
Joined:May 2012
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:26:29 AM

wish the ethanol would go away, or lower it's content.. it really isn't doing much.. makes gas get fewer miles per gallon.. not sure the trade off is worth it.. besides the cars having been re-designed to run the ethanol mix...
Profile Pic
KrsnaDragon
Champion Author Montreal

Posts:4,537
Points:985,290
Joined:Nov 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:26:21 AM

I believe anhydrous ethanol is far too susceptible to phase separation to be used practically as a transportation fuel.
Profile Pic
oldred11
Champion Author Indianapolis

Posts:3,661
Points:1,186,030
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:26:15 AM

Like (I think) I said yesterday, another "foolish" article.
Profile Pic
boatfloyd
Champion Author Jacksonville

Posts:3,921
Points:845,690
Joined:Mar 2012
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:23:32 AM

No more ethanol.
Profile Pic
ToddsPhone
Champion Author Wilmington

Posts:2,138
Points:937,130
Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:22:39 AM

Okay
Profile Pic
jkpsr
Champion Author New Jersey

Posts:5,836
Points:1,534,580
Joined:Jun 2005
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:18:38 AM

Get rid of the ethanol!
Profile Pic
crreed1
Champion Author West Virginia

Posts:4,006
Points:2,959,470
Joined:May 2005
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:18:08 AM

no ethanol
Profile Pic
heartbroken2010
Champion Author Ottawa

Posts:6,500
Points:1,354,835
Joined:Aug 2010
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:17:56 AM

i believe their employees drive company cars too.
Profile Pic
jetskijerry
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:6,009
Points:1,223,385
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:16:53 AM

no ethanol
Profile Pic
Tigercat88
Champion Author North Carolina

Posts:5,370
Points:1,074,965
Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:15:23 AM

SHUT DOWN THE EPA NOW!!!!!!!
Profile Pic
bvrbill
Champion Author Eugene

Posts:6,567
Points:975,950
Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:15:08 AM

No more ethanol.
Profile Pic
Badjef
Champion Author Florida

Posts:6,286
Points:1,275,940
Joined:Jan 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:14:46 AM

We could have been energy independent years ago if the Krazies would have SHUT UP!
Profile Pic
ican2step
Champion Author Pittsburgh

Posts:3,741
Points:874,525
Joined:Feb 2012
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:14:20 AM

Hey big brother, stay out of our gas tanks!
Profile Pic
chuckl95453
Champion Author California

Posts:2,220
Points:459,395
Joined:Mar 2013
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:14:08 AM

go away EPA
Profile Pic
mfeldstein
Champion Author Ottawa

Posts:10,218
Points:2,362,110
Joined:Feb 2007
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:13:10 AM

Green is better.
Profile Pic
Captlars
Champion Author Grand Rapids

Posts:1,511
Points:371,280
Joined:Jun 2013
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:12:22 AM

Okay
Profile Pic
rahcat
Champion Author Grand Rapids

Posts:4,860
Points:1,121,050
Joined:Jan 2010
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:12:04 AM

Abolish and defund the EPA.
Profile Pic
humblepie
Champion Author Toledo

Posts:53,409
Points:2,830,510
Joined:Mar 2006
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:11:57 AM

ethanol and the e p a both suck
Profile Pic
jmg144
Champion Author Maryland

Posts:11,612
Points:3,325,850
Joined:Jul 2004
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:10:27 AM

ADM made lots of money
Profile Pic
ManOfLeisureII
Champion Author Philadelphia

Posts:4,004
Points:908,815
Joined:Jan 2012
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:09:36 AM

Slime balls.....
Profile Pic
PrinceLH
Champion Author Ontario

Posts:4,874
Points:996,145
Joined:Jun 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:08:37 AM

Raising the cost?
Profile Pic
N5EXY
Champion Author Austin

Posts:7,668
Points:1,966,770
Joined:Jul 2004
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:07:48 AM

I just don't think much of the EPA.
Profile Pic
rosyLI
Champion Author Long Island

Posts:7,706
Points:1,495,710
Joined:Apr 2010
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:07:15 AM

The EPA is sabotaging the American public.
Profile Pic
Quick68
Champion Author Columbus

Posts:11,248
Points:1,683,900
Joined:Dec 2009
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:07:06 AM

I do not believe the EPA or any branch of the government.
Profile Pic
Glock26
Champion Author Dayton

Posts:3,601
Points:1,072,700
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:05:34 AM

Whatever!
Profile Pic
Alaydown
Champion Author Los Angeles

Posts:6,817
Points:1,121,935
Joined:May 2007
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:05:05 AM

The EPA can waive the current mandates, but instead they are choosing to ruin our cars, ruin our economy, and ruin the environment.

No, Congress cannot get rid of the mandate because DemocRATs control the Senate and the White House. DemocRATs established the current mandates in 2007. Obama voted in favor of the mandates established in 2005 and in 2007. His 2008 campaign for president stated he plans to double the mandates established in 2007. So we have to change party control in the Senate and White House to eliminate the mandates.
Profile Pic
regout
Champion Author Quebec

Posts:5,090
Points:1,285,180
Joined:May 2010
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:04:35 AM

Keep corn for people.
Profile Pic
bolobill
Champion Author Michigan

Posts:18,151
Points:3,627,525
Joined:Mar 2004
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:04:32 AM

ok
Profile Pic
LKnight598
Champion Author South Carolina

Posts:2,458
Points:548,270
Joined:Nov 2005
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:04:27 AM

They are making it less efficient and more expensive!
Profile Pic
Tsunamiron
Champion Author Jacksonville

Posts:3,481
Points:1,007,825
Joined:Mar 2011
Message Posted: Aug 20, 2013 12:03:39 AM

The EPA is destroying our engines and depleting the nutrients from our soils needed for food.
Profile Pic
HedTurnr
All-Star Author Oakland

Posts:840
Points:193,050
Joined:Apr 2013
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:59:42 PM

What they are doing is ruining it, making it where it will damage a car with ethanol add ins, and keeping the prices high. That is what the EPA is doing with our gas! It is time for Congress to throw the EPA out and represent the people who elected them and not the big businesses who are paying them bribes.
Profile Pic
Night Owl
Champion Author Toronto

Posts:9,640
Points:2,239,700
Joined:Jul 2004
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:59:12 PM

No more ethanol.
Profile Pic
N4PIP
Champion Author Miami

Posts:2,333
Points:853,560
Joined:Jan 2012
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:58:00 PM

Pointing the finger at the EPA? Ridiculous. Congress could get rid of the mandate any time they want. Your representative in the Midwest is propping up the corporate farms.
Profile Pic
kennyman
Champion Author Alberta

Posts:1,691
Points:334,510
Joined:Jun 2007
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:57:42 PM

Sure I'm going to invest all my money in those oil companies. ( NOT )
Profile Pic
clermont40miles
Champion Author Cincinnati

Posts:13,371
Points:2,227,615
Joined:Apr 2008
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:57:15 PM

Eradicate the EPA. They are strangling us with regulations.

Out of control and have been for a long time.
Profile Pic
mfeldstein
Champion Author Ottawa

Posts:10,218
Points:2,362,110
Joined:Feb 2007
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:55:20 PM

I agree with hosspuller also. The greenies can use it if they want.
Profile Pic
WIWalt
Champion Author Wisconsin

Posts:3,795
Points:867,390
Joined:Mar 2012
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:53:01 PM

I agree with hosspuller! The greenies can use it if they want

I agree with this ..."The RFS may have been a reasonable thing to try in 2005 but it has proven to be worthless so should be repealed. There is no need to ban ethanol; just make it optional and let each vehicle owner decide what fuel to put in his tank.""

And cut the tax exemptions for ethanol..
Profile Pic
jackson661
Champion Author Columbus

Posts:4,800
Points:1,878,565
Joined:May 2006
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:52:08 PM

OMG we need a better product only...
Profile Pic
spike55sk
Champion Author Saskatchewan

Posts:1,453
Points:894,425
Joined:Jul 2011
Message Posted: Aug 19, 2013 11:50:33 PM

Shovel needed.
Post a reply Back to Topics