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kx250
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 12:16:25 AM

Projections that the U.S. will become all but self-sufficient in energy by 2035 have profound implications for an aviation fuels market in the early stages of moving from a dependence on petroleum to encompassing a wide and varied range of sources.

Abundant and inexpensive natural gas is making it more difficult for renewable energy sources to establish themselves in the U.S. The nascent biofuels industry is being affected, as gas can be converted to liquid fuels in the near term and in the longer term liquefied natural gas could be used directly in aircraft engines (see page 46). Some alternative-fuel start-ups have switched from biomass to natural gas.

The dynamic developments in the energy market have thrown a spotlight on the Obama administration's moves to use the buying power of th
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tomok
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 1:25:20 AM

Natural Gas Supply Puts Damper On Renewable Energy. The U.S. will become all but self-sufficient in energy by 2035? Different fuels encompassing a wide and varied range of sources: Fossil fuels, Diesel, Bio Diesel, Natural Gas, Renewable Energy, etc. And, the price associated with each fuel.
As more and more natural gas is used the price will go up and up.
The US has plenty of crude oil and fuel and we still get hosed at the pump by Big Oil! Take care of the domestic fuel market first and above all else before exporting and selling fuel or natural gas to other countries! The US ‘oil and natural gas resources’ belong to the citizens of this country and are to be used by those same citizens! I want different occupants in the WH, these high gas prices have got to stop!
Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
honda0105
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Message Posted: Jul 31, 2013 6:56:07 AM

MAC: lots of things have come from military R&D (including the ol' velcro). And DARPA is sponsoring lots of programs such as solar recharging of devices (as already done in parts in Afghanistan).
drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 11:06:16 AM

Yes Sanpoil, NG has already proven a great boost to our economy. Thank goodness for the hydraulic fracturing revolution! We would be in an even worse state economically than we are without it under Obammamama's reign.

[Edited by: drpepperTX at 7/30/2013 11:08:06 AM EST]
honda0105
Champion Author Tallahassee

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Message Posted: Jul 30, 2013 5:44:35 AM

time will tell where the NG will end up in the big scheme of things.
Sanpoil
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 8:50:51 AM

NG is good for the economy.
teenitup
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 1:52:28 AM

This sure explains the nonsensical opposition to fracking!
jrs4125
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:28:29 AM

Short term maybe.
MAC48
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:08:14 AM

Our military services should not be in the position of experimenting with alternative fuels of any kind for any reason. The services need to spend their dollars on training, modernization and R&D on future weapons systems.

It is the Department of Energy and not the Department of Defense that is responsible for experimenting with alternative fuels and encouraging R&D into future alternative fuel discoveries.
N5EXY
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:05:30 AM

NG is renewable - just almost impossible to collect.
bridgerunner
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:03:08 AM

I'm with nurdco. Huh?
rahcat
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:02:04 AM

Old News
honda0105
Champion Author Tallahassee

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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:01:57 AM

we need to diversify our energy sources more.
nurdco
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:01:55 AM

Damper?

Oversupply of NG
vibdata
Champion Author Massachusetts

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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:01:49 AM

A mistake in the making. Putting aside energy that is inevitable for dwindling current resources is a mistake.
mfeldstein
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:01:35 AM

Mustn't get complacent. Cheap NG won't slow down global warming.
AmynHH
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2013 12:01:34 AM

3rd world countries are doing it, why can't we?
69Bonne
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:54:40 PM

Really? So let's just be dependent on our own sources of fuel, no matter what it is.
jorod55
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:54:14 PM

More beans.
blazerbob91
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:51:49 PM

Cheaper for now.
Chris46
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:50:46 PM

Natural gas is cheaper
WIWalt
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:49:36 PM

ok
rf6480
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:49:24 PM

too many people make too much money for us to ever be self sufficient
wshokie12
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:44:27 PM

Okay.
DustyHorse
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:43:26 PM

That is fine. We have wasted enough tax payers dollars on these pie in the sky projects.
TxPDawg
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:40:16 PM

ok
gilfarm
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:39:02 PM

Oh well.
Ayeghoti
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:38:42 PM

becoming more self sufficient, should give us time to find better ways to go renewable. FOOD IS NOT FUEL!
mstearno
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:37:43 PM

where's factless rob spewing crap about we need solar at any price?
dieselfiendSC
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:36:20 PM

Let the most cost effective form of energy win.
ss70
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:36:14 PM

use it to get better renewable energy
SandeeC
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:35:46 PM

The problem from the beginning was pushing for renewable energy before the infrastructure was in place. And it takes time for that. But the gas is there and so is oil so we have to go it for the time being. Yes, renewable energy is the best and will be for the future - but not right now.
BIGREDNM
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:33:02 PM

OK.
jimpricehunter
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:30:50 PM

Well, none of you here seem to be considering what the real problem is. Just wait until everybody's neighborhood starts sinking into big sinkholes; even the neighborhoods of the 'rich guys' running these projects. But by then I suppose it will be too late to learn - - What ya gonna do then?
pgerassi
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:30:08 PM

SOP
bonzoonfmb
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:27:09 PM

The U.S. has to utilize all available forms of energy.
DocWyeth
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:22:36 PM

All along there were Rhinos saying we could drill our way to independence... hmmmm as much as I hate to say it, they were right.
s6sputnik
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:21:39 PM

For now!
StephenOM
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:19:50 PM

Let the market place decide, not all knowing elites.
wz
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:17:55 PM

Eventually the price of gas and oil will rise to the effective price point of alternatives (1973 estimate was $5/gallon). Or else someone will come up with a renewable alternative that is efficient and cheap, unlike any of the options presented to us (being forced on us) today. Until then, we will use the cheapest fossil fuel available for the task at hand.

[Edited by: wz at 7/28/2013 11:18:35 PM EST]
pliskin
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:16:45 PM

Another cheaper, plentiful energy source that Pres. Obama is trying to end because he thinks he can!
VikingWoman
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:15:59 PM

ok
BREW9
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:15:23 PM

right
mabrams184
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:12:23 PM

Research and development is still needed. The more options available the better.
Mowerman08
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:10:24 PM

Another 0bama joke.
BoerneWatch
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:09:53 PM

Awww!

Listen carefully and you can hear a bunch of the world's smallest violins playing.

"Renewable" energy relies on double digit regular gas prices and even then the stuff can't be made competitively.
WIPACKERFAN
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:07:10 PM

OK
clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:03:40 PM

Keep the green fleet baloney out of the Navy.

Green is red.
trikie316
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:02:25 PM

Ok
PetroScopper
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:02:12 PM

Renewable energy will certainly take longer... but it will have to happen eventually.
skybiker
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:00:20 PM

Renewable energy is a fairy tale...
kona763
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 10:58:20 PM

ok
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