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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 2:53:22 PM

Economically, transporting crude oil by railcar costs about three times as much as pipeline transport, reaching as high as $30 per barrel.[1] Shipping all of the country’s 2.4 Billion barrels produced last year via rail instead of pipeline would result in an additional cost to consumers of $48 Billion dollars.

Additionally, rail emits three times more greenhouse gas than pipeline transport and results in six times as many environmental incidents.[2] Canadian Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, has acknowledged the role rail has played in the expansion of Canada’s energy sector but noted that rail use is “more environmentally challenging” than pipelines.[3]

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Night Owl
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 9:13:27 PM

Refine Canadian oil in Canada.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 6:32:21 PM

Yes Alaydown and if they had read more than a couple of words, think hope and change, we may have a different president right now! But I digress...
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doyle16
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 5:44:31 PM

I totally agree with their analysis. Yes, we might have to ship by train or trucking when the pipelines are at max. But pipeline is safety and cheaper that the other options. We all pay the price at the pump!
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Alaydown
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 12:00:17 PM

LOL, too true, drpepperTX. Anything more than a few one or two syllable words is too much reading for the opposition. If they ever read, they would not have posted what they claim.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 11:02:12 AM

Well said Alaydown, but that'll be too much reading for the opposers! LOL!
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Alaydown
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 5:29:21 AM

I would be shocked if Obama makes a decision on the Keystone XL before the 2014 election. As teenitup and drpepperTX have pointed out, an overwhelming majority of Americans (both Republican and DemocRAT) want Keystone XL to be built.

In addition to the recent poll teenitup cited, a Harris poll last month reported that 82 percent of registered voters believe building the Keystone pipeline system is "in the national interest." Obama is unlikely to make a decision that goes that much against what the voters want before the next election. More than likely he will try to delay his cancellation of the program until after the 2014 election results.

Obama has already waived implementation of Obamacare by businesses until January 1, 2015 (surprise, surprise), which is shortly after the 2014 election, because he knows it will increase unemployment and reduce hours of many full time employees to part time. He doesn't want to hurt the chances of DemocRATs running for election because he knows Republicans would win back the Senate otherwise.

drpepperTX, you are absolutely correct (as usual) about exporting oil. These claims are totally false that "oil companies want to pipe it to ports for export," yet they are repeated in post after post by so many on the left.

To export crude oil, a company must obtain a license from the Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS), which is part of the U.S. Department of Commerce (a cabinet position under Obama), and which relies on the Code of Federal Regulations Title 15 Part 754.2. According to the regulations, "BIS will approve applications to export crude oil for the following kinds of transactions if BIS determines that the export is consistent with the specific requirements pertinent to that export:"

•From Alaska's Cook Inlet
•To Canada for consumption or use therein
•In connection with refining or exchange of Strategic Petroleum Reserve oil
•Of up to an average of 25,000 bbl/d of California heavy crude oil
•That are consistent with findings made by the president under an applicable statute
•Of foreign-origin crude oil where, based on written documentation satisfactory to BIS, the exporter can demonstrate that the oil is not of U.S. origin and has not been commingled with oil of U.S. origin.

These foreign-origin exports typically occur because the owner of the imported crude oil cannot process or resell it in the United States. The license allows the imported crude to be exported.

The United States does export small amounts of crude oil on a regular basis. From 2003 to 2012, the US exported an average of 35,000 bbl/d of crude oil — 98% of those exports were delivered to Canada. By comparison, in January 2013, the United States imported nearly 8 million barrels per day, while producing about 7 million barrels per day.
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ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 1:50:23 AM

Americans want the pipe line because our economy is dependent upon independence from OPEC. This is a part of that needed independence.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 12:58:18 AM

"Instead, the oil companies want to pipe it to ports for export."
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False.

Since the 1970's it has been illegal to export oil from the US without Presidential approval. Mingling the US oil from the Bakken in ND and Montana assures that the oil stays here. Some distillate may be exported, particularly diesel to feed demand in Mexico and other developing nations.
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PhilMils
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 12:47:01 AM

Only when the pipeline takes the oil to where the train carries it.

There are refineries in the NE US that would enjoy having oil piped to them, but there are no plans to do so. Instead, the oil companies want to pipe it to ports for export.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 12:43:22 AM

"The majority of American voters do not want the pipeline
It depends on how the survey is worded."
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LOL, someone is in deep denial!

Teenitup is correct, poll after poll after poll reflects that a vast majority of voters favor the pipeline. Both democrat and republican voters feel the same.
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evowner
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Message Posted: Jul 28, 2013 12:35:00 AM

The majority of American voters do not want the pipeline
It depends on how the survey is worded.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 11:53:33 PM

skempton, if that's the case, then why do poll after poll show a huge majority of Americans want the Keystone pipeline to be built?

67% favor the pipeline strongly according to the latest.

Obammy has no desire to listen to the will of the People.
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skempton
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 10:51:34 PM

Maybe the US just doesn't want that stuff in the US.
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Jeff4U
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 9:41:53 PM

The XL won't be built until Obama is history. Gotta wait till 2016.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 8:57:50 PM

Certainly makes a good case
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 7:43:29 PM

ds2dale, I was somewhat curious about that myself but when I did a little research I found that Southern Pacific was raking in $20-$30/bbl more by railing and barging its bitumen to Louisiana than it would have at the Cushing, Ok hub. One oil sands producer paid $31/bbl to rail and barge its oil to a Louisiana refinery, compared to $8/bbl by pipeline. I found this by following the footnote links in this article.

[Edited by: drpepperTX at 7/27/2013 7:44:31 PM EST]
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ds2dale
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 7:24:21 PM

While I'm fully in favor of putting stuff down a pipeline when possible (with ethanol, it's just not possible) there's one tidbit of information in this article that disturbs me: I need to see supporting data for the claim that it costs up to 30 dollars per barrel to transport it by rail. I find this number to be unbelievably high. Show me supporting data.
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kkimes
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 6:45:16 PM

No it doesn't. It highlights the need for proper supervision and oversight of the rail shipping industry. If the proper checklist of information had been in use in Quebec, the tragedy would never have happened.

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wrunner
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 6:22:54 PM

It highlight the need for safety - pipeline or Keystone.

Safety first, safety always, safety first and always.

Safety period.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 5:55:32 PM

"Unlikely KXL will be ever built
It is not in the nation's interests"
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How so Nicoalbum?
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 5:52:47 PM

No, it does not.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 5:31:01 PM

Canada definitely has problems shipping by rail.
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Rayfuel
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 5:17:53 PM

Build it!
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Nicoalbum
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 5:05:34 PM

Unlikely KXL will be ever built
It is not in the nation's interests
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 4:55:39 PM

build it!
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VomVom
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 4:48:47 PM

Good luck trying to get Obama to make decisions based on facts and logic. The procrastination on the KXL is fast approaching 6 years. Anyone with 1/2 a brain would have made a decision by now.
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Alaydown
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 4:21:33 PM

Very true, drpepperTX! Thanks for posting this article.
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philbh
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 3:56:55 PM

build it!
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 3:52:00 PM

Compelling arguments in favor of the KXL indeed.
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 3:34:35 PM

Soon as we get gov out of our business it'l be built.
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Zuegma
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 3:16:11 PM

There's no doubt both Cdn. & US rail lines are long overdue for upgrades and any new pipelines and standards present a major step in delivering hazardous material in a safer way.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 3:15:11 PM

so build the xl already...................NOW
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BUSMAN1105
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Message Posted: Jul 27, 2013 2:55:26 PM

THAT'S RIGHT WE DO NOT NEED OIL BEING TRANSPORTED BY RAIL IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE OUR SYSTEM IS OUTDATED. IT'S A ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
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