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Jumpmaster82

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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:06:15 AM

Diesels Generally Save Owners $2,000 to $6,000 Over Three to Five Years of Ownership

WASHINGTON, June 27, 2013 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- A new study released today found that diesel vehicles saved owners between $2,000 to $6,000 in total ownership costs during a three to five year period when compared to similar gasoline vehicles, according to data compiled by the University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute.

Fuel efficiency has always been a major attraction of clean diesel vehicles. Because diesels are 20 to 40 more fuel efficient than gas cars, drivers save money with diesels even when diesel fuel prices are slightly higher than gas prices.
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alterman156
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 1:47:23 AM

No surprise to me.
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remay
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:01:07 PM

"when diesel fuel prices are slightly higher than gas prices".

Well there is ONE flaw in the study! $0.70 to $1.00 higher is SIGNIFICANT!
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 5:12:01 PM

So do EV cars, but people aren't buying those either. So few people can see past the end of their noses. If you buy a good car and hold on to it for 15 years, it will pay for itself over and over again.

I have a 1998 Buick LeSabre that I'll be dumping soon but overall cost has been very low. I just bought last year a 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid that I will be keeping for another 14 years (if I'm around that long). I expect that the extra I paid to get a hybrid will be a very good investment. I've already saved nearly a thousand dollars in gas.
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Fleabite44
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 2:01:38 PM

If you save so much, why aren't people buying them?
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 1:41:28 PM

I guess the first obstacle potential buyers run into is the original price tag difference and their ability to finance it when they are already maxed-out on what they can borrow [and to overcome past bias of going to diesel].

It also depends of what actual "needs" they have. For many torque and towing capacity is the least of their worry. The JETA is hardly a family car and the Mercedes is just out of their reach. So, for Joe average earner, it is still hard for them to equate with the high end "potential" savings.

I suspect that till the sticker price is 'very' close, diesels will continue to be "perceived" as a pricey alternative.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 1:29:25 PM

YumaFellow, I have gasoline cars, run two TurboDiesels (VW wagons) and have a hybrid Prius C.

The Prius C is amazing, with many trips topping 105 mpg Imperial (87+ US mpg). It is best suited to stop and go or gently driving, or if on highway, keeping it below 70 mph. It is also not a powerful car and with as much fun in it as a driving car as cherry Jello.

Diesels are amazing too. They are crap around town but are superb in power at low RPMs on the highway. Tow a trailer, climb Mt Everest without downshifting, or pass a couple of tractor trailers uphill while towing your own trailer; diesels do that while getting 40-60 US mpg and they do it hovering around the 2000 rpm range. The VWs for example, are best when the turbocharger is spinning which is is 1750-2400 rpm, and there is little need to run a diesel engine faster. You in fact upshift, mash the pedal to the floor, and the turbo does all the work. No smoke or fuel wastage either doing that way, as all new Clean Diesels are in effect very lean burn machines and just cannot inject more fuel than they can burn efficiently. The soot/smoke on old tech and pickups is all about wasted half-burned fuel going out the tail pipe. Diesels have great mileage compared to regular gasoline cars-more than enough to pay for the extra cost of the fuel by a huge margin--and are simply excellent for high speed highway trips, long long distances, and carrying a load.

I use all three types of cars--the Subaru Forester, the Prius C, and the two VW diesels almost every day, but it all depends where I am going and what I'm doing with a vehicle.

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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 1:04:12 PM

Seems to me that the gasoline car is finding itself in a run for the money. Now if they will do a comparison between diesel and hybrid, that would be interesting.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:32:29 AM

Save a whole lot more by keeping it for at least 30 years
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:10:41 AM

Maybe something to consider the next time you buy a new car.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 10:19:00 AM

Along with the price difference in fuel, I wonder what average mileage per year numbers their study is based on.

I don't doubt that diesels are more efficient, but after my own analysis when I bought a car, I don't agree that it's as obvious a slam dunk as the article makes it out to be.

Plus, in Canada, right now if you want a diesel car, it has to be a VW, and they have issues other than engine maintenance (electrical comes to mind).
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 10:14:58 AM

OK
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 10:14:18 AM

Glad to hear.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 10:10:47 AM

All depends on the diesel-gasoline price spread. Neither ICE technologies can be expanded due to unstable supplies in the future.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 10:10:01 AM

admiller316, read the article... my diesel maintenance is far less than my gas powered car. For one, oil changes in my gasser is at 5k miles, in my diesel its at 13k miles.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:53:35 AM

Not surprised
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:31:08 AM

Makes sense - but it's hard for me to believe these depreciation numbers.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:28:44 AM

i pay roughly 60 a gallon more for diesel, but i get about 60% greater mileage
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admiller316
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:26:45 AM

I would definitely prefer a diesel over a hybrid or electric any day, but after the 3-5 years, I would probably get rid of it. The maintenance is more, but the cost of any repairs will be a lot more than the gas vehicles because of all the extra emissions hardware that diesels need.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:23:40 AM

Aren't diesel prices higher than unleaded due to the demand for that product? If there is an influx of clean diesel vehicles hit the roads, more diesel production Should ensue, driving the price down at least some.

Which would make the efficient diesels even more attractive.

And might then lead to cleaner / efficiency improvements in the big rigs and other diesel engines. Auto makers will put money where they are going to make more of it.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:22:49 AM

Good.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:20:59 AM

Really? How interesting.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:13:23 AM

The M-B data is interesting as some buyers select luxury diesel models as a statement and not so much a decision for savings. But it appears the savings is real. My fear is this could affect pricing of models if demand continues to rise for diesels.
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Jumpmaster82
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:10:46 AM

I own a European diesel (2005) and love it so much that I will NEVER buy a gasoline powered car. Will buy a diesel 2014 and a 2015 to replace my 2004 gasser and 2005 diesel.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:10:42 AM

Guess it depends on how you use it too. Short commutes or long, high-speed drives.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:08:31 AM

That is a good plug for European diesels.
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