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granitestater

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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 1:44:26 AM

Around 40 people were watching the White-throated Needletail, the world's fastest flying bird, on the Isles of Harris when the tragedy happened.

Sightings of the bird have only been recorded eight times in the UK in nearly 170 years, most recently in 1991, prompting around 80 ornithologists to visit the island in the hope of catching a glimpse.

David Campbell, from Surrey, told BBC Scotland the incident took place late on Wednesday afternoon. Speaking as he made his way home, he said: “We just watched the whole thing with dismay."

Josh Jones, of Bird Guides, a specialist website for ornithologists, said he had spoken to witnesses, who had seen the bird fly straight into one the turbine’s blades.

He said: “It is ironic that after waiting so long for this bird to turn up in t
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sydb7
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2013 8:59:20 PM

Smarten up the birds or dumb down the wind turbines!
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 3:59:32 PM

Of course the bird kills, bat kills, segmentation of land habitat are very valid examples of just how un-green turbines are.

But there's also the human factor as many illnesses caused by turbines are coming to light.

The whole point is that wind is purported to be friendly to the environment.

Clearly and unequivocally, wind is not green.

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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:54:26 PM

"I have heard about wind turbines killing wild life, but not like that. Those things don't go that fast."
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Turbine blades are moving anywhere from 130 mph to 190 mph at the tips.

How's that for fast enough??
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Digger52
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 9:45:59 AM

Too bad. . .
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Alaydown
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 3:16:10 AM

JettaKnight: My statement was "Over 400,000 birds are killed each year by wind turbines in the USA -- many of those are rare or endangered species."
You wrote: "Prove it. Show the VERIFIABLE data. (Links to highly reputable sites.)"
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What do you call "highly reputable sites"? There are many sites such as news articles that cite data from sources, and you can Google the info yourself. The issue is not really contested by anyone except the green energy whackos who will argue that anything is good when in the pursuit of green energy. There are a few who claim the numbers are either slightly higher or slightly lower, but 400K+ per year these days is about the average that is reported. Of course that number is expected to go up with the increase in number of wind turbines.

How many do you think are killed by wind turbines? Usually someone who makes a challenge such as yours will refute the statement with one of their own. Your challenge implies you don't think any are killed. California had paid for each dead squirrel people provided from the Altamont Pass area because the wind turbines there are known for the deaths of thousands of predatory birds who hunt ground animals such as squirrels there. Many of these birds are protected.

Here are a few you can read.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2011-08-28/national/35269438_1_wind-turbines-wind-farms-wind-power

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/14/wind-farms-bird-deaths_n_3270691.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/348424/latest-wind-energy-outrage-robert-bryce

http://www.cfact.org/2013/03/18/wind-turbines-kill-up-to-39-million-birds-a-year/

http://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/collisions/wind_faq.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/06/local/la-me-adv-wind-eagles-20110606
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Ray_10589
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:31:40 AM

agree with BennoBlue
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Zonk
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:26:39 AM

The bird most likely had its' GPS turned off.
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:21:52 AM

Is it time to cage turbines?
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rap12MA
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:18:47 AM

We are talking about bird brains here people!
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RAE344
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:15:57 AM

I have heard about wind turbines killing wild life, but not like that. Those things don't go that fast.
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dbadave
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:15:01 AM

I've seen bird kill themselves by flying in front of my car as I drive down the highway at 65. Birds die. Get over it.
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jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:11:30 AM

they die in oil slicks, too
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bolobill
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:07:41 AM

ok
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shiningknight15
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:07:41 AM

Every energy source has its pluses and minuses.
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BennoBlue
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:07:14 AM

According to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service [ http://www.fws.gov/birds/mortality-fact-sheet.pdf ]:
• Cars kill up to 60 million birds per year.
• Building windows kill more than 97 million birds per year.
• Communication towers kill between 4 million and 50 million birds per year.
• Power line fatalities could kill as many as 174 million birds annually.
• Pesticides poison at least 72 million birds annually.
• And, up to 2 million birds per year are killed by oil and wastewater pits.

In contrast, a study in the March 2013 Wildlife Society Bulletin said that 573,000 birds are killed by wind turbines per year [http://joomla.wildlife.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=186]. The American Wind Energy Association puts this still lower at 200,000 birds per year [ http://www.awea.org/blog/index.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1699=22541 ], but let's go with the higher number from the wildlife organization for the sake of argument.
I'd say that if these numbers can be reduced, they should be, but if it's not changing our use of buildings, cars, cell towers, power lines, etc., I'm not sure why wind turbines should be singled out.

For the record, I'm not trying to be snarky or closed-minded here, I'm interested in other viewpoints. I'd particularly appreciate links to any better information on the subject.
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OGW
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:06:54 AM

We have seen all kinds of birds and even ducks killed by wind turbines, nothing new it has been happening for several years now!
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N5EXY
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:04:13 AM

The NSA says they have a robot that looks and flies like a bird. So if you see a bird outside your window tweeting with a BlackBerry, it’s spying on you.
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GoneUpAgain
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:04:03 AM

Don't worry, these Chinese-made wind turbines will probably be gone in five years. Who can afford to keep buying more of the things when they keep falling apart after a few years.
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ManOfLeisureII
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:03:23 AM

And airplanes hit geese. And life goes on. Geeeze
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theschmuck
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:02:25 AM

A story just off the beaten path, what about the gas/oil/price at the pump?????????.
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us4usa
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:58:16 PM

Swift not too bright, Wind turbines only kills the dumb ones???
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nimpy
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:56:59 PM

This is really sad
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JethroGibbsMKE
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:55:45 PM

Poor birds, animals sometimes get hurt no matter what and how careful we are trying, it is just bad luck and a sad ending of many.
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hpmossii
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:55:23 PM

Sad. But, what does this have to do with the price of gas/oil/diesel?
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rawdog1313
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:53:23 PM

OK.......
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mcmonsta
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:52:26 PM

sad but green may hurt
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idigau22
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:50:59 PM

Birds are killed by autos! Birds are killed by aircraft!!
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Johnnyrebell12
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:48:55 PM

Really Sad, but that life and the way of advancement
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mstearno
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:48:39 PM

omg
I don't know if I should laugh or cry?
so a bird dies now we have to do away with wind turbines?
what if it were sitting on a bouy and eaten by a shark
should we kill the sharks?
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DEG
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:48:35 PM

Green energy is not the panacea that many (e.g. Obama, etc.) want us to believe.
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flyfast
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:46:49 PM

GREEN HURT GREEN
WHAT WILL THEY DO
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camel1
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:46:44 PM

so sad
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tc17a
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:43:52 PM

so
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CCLighthouse
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:43:14 PM

That may be Carol7777, but the wind turbines are known to kill large numbers of birds. Wind Turbines don't discriminate between birds, they are killing lots of eagles also. Maybe that might be a good way to kill Thanksgiving turkeys. I don't think we need them if there isn't a way to keep birds from flying into the blades. Maybe they could build cages around them to keep birds from flying into them. There's got to be a better way!
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rf6480
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:43:14 PM

birds still fly into glass windows, sccidents will happen
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billwho
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:40:55 PM

Cage the blades.
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MRED3
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:40:35 PM

Is going green a good thing.
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mrbee
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:40:15 PM

Who has the time to go watch birds? I am too busy trying to make a living in order to pay taxes.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:39:43 PM

SAD TO HEAR!
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BREW9
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:39:40 PM

oops
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mikaye
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:36:43 PM

very sad how many birds have died this way
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:34:56 PM

Sad accident.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:33:51 PM

No wonder there isn't many around....the way of the Dodo.
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Carol7777
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:32:38 PM

The death of a member of a rare, endangered species is always sad. Hosever, birds are also killed by vehicles, predators, like cats & hawks, etc. & by disease.
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:31:18 PM

“Where is the gas price connection?”
“. . . what does this have to do with gas prices[?]”

OK guys, once again, Newsville is about energy issues of all sorts. Wind turbines are a controversial energy facility. Read the guidelines before making stupid comments.

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badharley
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:29:19 PM

Birds fly into car windshields so do we quit driving.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:20:54 PM

ok
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davenles
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:19:02 PM

Did the bird for into the blades because he was distraught over gas prices?
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:16:49 PM

Although tragic, I am rather amused by the sheer irony of how this occurred.
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:13:07 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:12:57 PM

who cares
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