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Sanpoil
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:01:30 AM

Companies are building or planning to build 10 railroad oil terminals in Washington state, plus one in Oregon, to accommodate long trains of tanker cars bringing crude oil from Bakken oil shale fields in the Dakotas.

The oil will help support five refineries in Washington state, which have been seeking other sources of crude as volume through the Alaska pipeline has been dropping with the depletion of Alaskan oil fields.

The Alaska pipeline is bringing about 295,000 barrels a day to Washington’s five refineries, about a quarter of its peak operations, said Frank Holmes, director, Northwest region, for the Western State Petroleum Association.
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russiam
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 10:11:57 AM

Oo
DrCashFlow
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 3:06:29 AM

Sounds like everybody wins
ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 9:54:50 PM

We need it so build the terminals.
peakkeller
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 6:45:10 PM

Go railroads!
jamofsocal
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 6:06:40 PM

Interesting that the Alaskan pipeline is nearing the end of its life cycle. But research is showing that there are even more opportunities out there thanks to other sources of fossil fuels.
tomok
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 4:07:58 PM

Ten terminals for crude oil trains planned in Washington. Trains can obtain crude oil from different areas of the country which can vary in price. If one area's crude oil is cheaper, then the train can switch to that area. Pipelines can't change locations, once the pipeline is set it costs too much to 'move it' or build it to another location. Pipelines can transport crude oil, fuel and natural gas much cheaper than rail or truck. Crude oil from Alaska is declining and the refiniers have to keep producing fuel for their high profits.
**More Refineries are Not the Answer, Stop Exporting Fuel Is the Answer!
*If 'they' can export all that fuel, there are enough refineries already, there are NO need for MORE Refineries OR Capacity!
Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
orcar
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 3:57:31 PM

WOW
No1ConMan
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 3:55:04 PM

If they would let Alaska open more proven fields, this would not be necessary! Drill baby drill!
gravityhurts
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 3:51:53 PM

Crude baby!
bluebird1
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 3:21:10 PM

The oil is needed in the region but where's the environmentalists on all the train traffic - most likely diesel???? Once a pipeline is laid & if its modern with automated checks, its cleaner & safer than other modes.
captcarl5
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 3:15:45 PM

need to ship from east coast like philly terminals
GatorGuy
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 2:50:01 PM

Cool.
kbom4fuel
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:30:17 PM

Less talk and a little more action please.
Sapper08
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:24:41 PM

Gotta get the oil to the refineries!
Tigercat88
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:23:25 PM

Warren buffet getting what he wants.
kacansas
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:23:04 PM

Obama now wants the Keystone XL but there are other people in the way.
wshutton
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:22:39 PM

A logical construction project that will improve the area's ability to receive oil from anyplace it is produced in North America.
CAD69
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:22:00 PM

How's that XL coming Mr OBummer?
paulweb
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:20:40 PM

Ask the people in an area contaminated by a pipeline spill whether they favor trains or pipelines.
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:19:35 PM

go for it
danol43
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:18:35 PM

good news
dunedate
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:18:35 PM

do it
Alfied
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:15:53 PM

Trains better tan pipelines. I don't think so.
tdeaton1
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:15:38 PM

Then export the finished product so pump prices can remain high.
pontiacpaul
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:14:44 PM

How about shipping tar sands that way too...easier than fighting the pipeline, and it will all go to China anyway...
Alaydown
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:13:37 PM

Trains are dangerous for transporting oil. We need more pipelines instead.
sarasotasingle
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:09:35 PM

Ten terminals for crude oil trains planned in Washington. Trains can obtain crude oil from different areas of the country which can vary in price. If one area's crude oil is cheaper, then the train can switch to that area. Pipelines can't change locations, once the pipeline is set it costs too much to 'move it' or build it to another location. Pipelines can transport crude oil, fuel and natural gas much cheaper than rail or truck. Crude oil from Alaska is declining and the refiniers have to keep producing fuel for their high profits.
**More Refineries are Not the Answer, Stop Exporting Fuel Is the Answer!
*If 'they' can export all that fuel, there are enough refineries already, there are NO need for MORE Refineries OR Capacity!
Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
thirty8paces
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:08:38 PM

Doesn't matter if it's not being refined.
smokinjoe54
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:08:12 PM

Sounds good.
mageetp
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:07:05 PM

Nice to see a fuel related post. Hope this added oil to Washington State helps lower our pump prices.
91Hilux
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:06:55 PM

Sweet. It's much better than having it shipped overseas!!!
SUSANCK
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:06:27 PM

This is not safer than a pipeline.
DutchTreatMI
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:06:09 PM

So this plan should bring some relief at the pump in this region of the country.
Lologogo
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:05:53 PM

If they do it cleanly & safely there will not be any problems.
gas_sipperNY
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:05:31 PM

ok
jnseyeongas
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:04:32 PM

Sounds good but there is talk of a pipeline from ND to somewhere as well.
fuzziWA
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:03:11 PM

it's about time...let's get it together guys
JENNYHK
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:02:27 PM

This is better than XL?
MilestoneMotors
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 1:01:50 PM

Or ship it away...
g747
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:59:14 PM

Maybe you guys will get some relief; in that part of the country.
pecos
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:59:08 PM

Okay...
ARCO
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:58:13 PM

NICE
wulf2000
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:56:26 PM

Washington state, also known as the green state.

The greenies are having fits.
RBob
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:53:17 PM

Good move. Better than transporting it across the mid-west acquifers on its way to China, although this US oil after being refined can also be shipped to China instead of the US and Canada.
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:53:16 PM

Is this just in case the Keystone XL isn't approved? Lots more diesel smoke for the pristine northwest. Then again also more jobs.
bojiway1
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:52:33 PM

ok
TwoEyes
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:52:01 PM

sounds good ...
Johnny907
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:49:58 PM

OK
PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:49:43 PM

Wait! What? The Alaskan oil fields are depleting? Nobody told me.

RedskinGas
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:48:52 PM

Do what we have to to use our oil here.
JeffersonState
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Message Posted: Jun 27, 2013 12:48:07 PM

Good move for the West Coast of the US and BC. My understanding is that Congress has changed the rules so Alaska oil refined in Washington state can now be export to China with no depletion taxes or other restrictions.
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