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Sanpoil
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 12:59:55 AM

TransCanada Corp. (TRP), which says Keystone XL will be the safest pipeline ever built, isn’t planning to use infrared sensors or fiber-optic cables to detect spills along the system’s 2,000-mile (3,200-kilometer) path to Texas refineries from fields in Alberta.

Pipeline companies have been slow to adopt new leak detection technology, including infrared equipment on helicopters flying 80 miles an hour or acoustic sensors that can identify the sound of oil seeping from a pinhole-sized opening. Instead of tools that can find even the smallest leaks, TransCanada will search for spills using software-based methods and traditional flyovers and surveys.
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Trudat316
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2013 2:26:42 AM

Keep that nasty tar sand oil in Canada. Refine it in Canada. Canadian Big Oil lies are no different from American ones.
schvanda63
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 1:03:33 PM

"software-based"

We've seen how well this has worked out in the past. Hackers, have at 'em.
PhilMils
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 12:14:19 PM

So, TransCanada lied. It isn't the first time. They will continue to lie so long as it is in their best interests. Regretfully, the general public believes the lies.
scu227
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 9:06:26 AM

It could pay for itself by avoid a major problem !!!
Evilmaddog
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 7:55:45 AM

their shooting themselves in the foot.......... Build refineries in Canada
eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 7:13:52 AM

If reliable technology is available it should be used.
FPLREP
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 6:47:58 AM

The latest technology isn't always a proven winner...ford going back to knobs and buttons on some vehicles.
Straitliner
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 6:10:36 AM

This is the 90,000 story pertaining to Keystone posted on Gasbuddy.
humblepie
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 6:06:13 AM

havent we lost enough jobs to high tech nnsense ? more human inspectors would be much better i think, then a few idiot lights on a board
daytonabiker
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 5:46:35 AM

Mission is NOT accomplished.
Nationalize the oil in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia,
Oil companies in America.
Leave Qatar alone.
Then the mission will be accomplished.
mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 5:30:15 AM

What ever
Bonanza
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 5:12:22 AM

Keystone is a disaster waiting to happen
RNCII
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:47:37 AM

You have to give them some credit as they are testing external sensors by simulating leaks on a 40-foot-long pipeline to test how well external tools, including fiber-optic cables and vapor sensing tubes, detect the oil, Philipenko said.
Beau2140
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:44:54 AM

It would seem that they would seek the latest technology to detect leaks.
pscamp
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:42:14 AM

OK
1fulltank
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:35:48 AM

Which is the better option?
TravelinMan52
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:27:46 AM

We'll see how this works out, I guess...
ropegun11
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:24:54 AM

..."Many of the technologies out there haven’t been deployed on that scale of system with the complexities that the type of project presents,” TransCanada’s Meier said.

...Yes, you would be correct twobroke61, Buddy2264, duane7810, TheHermit, bradleyo1, etc.
twobroke61
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:19:16 AM

sounds like trouble ahead
Buddy2264
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:14:38 AM

I am guessing that is a problem.
duane7810
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:11:23 AM

Not good enough.
afghaned
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:11:11 AM

Easy answer - let the greenies pay for the new, unproven technology.
TheHermit
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:10:48 AM

Doesn't sound like we are learning from our mistakes.
NotTom
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:10:20 AM

ok
F22Raptor
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:08:39 AM

Meh.
ThunderBird89
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:08:00 AM

if it can not meet the cost/benefit analysis criteria, then if the environmentalists want it, they should foot the cost, or shut their pie hole.
ropegun11
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 4:02:54 AM

...Wow...In response to an unnamed sophomore author from Alaska's comment, do you think you could maybe stay on topic Ghostrider? Otherwise the pattern is full.
Lairre
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:59:44 AM

Enough of Keystone...can it!
bradleyo1
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:59:09 AM

not good!
Realakman
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:58:23 AM

Illegals out = GAS PRICES DOWN
20-50 million less people competing for our fuel, lower health care costs, lower food prices, lower insurance costs, its just all good.
Deport or shoot um, either one, don't care
They will quit trying to sneak in if they use bullets to guard the border
Pozole
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:56:21 AM

...DANGER, Will Robinson...run away fast...don't let these clowns pump oil through [and ONTO] your town...
tomok
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:48:10 AM

Keystone XL Pipeline Shuns High-Tech Oil Spill Detectors. This pipeline should have all the latest saftety devices and spill detection technology available. Frequent visual pipeline checks, acoustic and infrared sensors on the pipeline, infrared sensors on aircraft, and visual flyovers! It any spills or leaks are detected, it needs to be repaired immediately. If a large spill or break is found, the gound is heavily polluted, heavy and stiff fines to follow.
The northern Keystone XL pipeline will not lower fuel prices at the pump but refined crude oil will be refined and exported to other countries for higher profits.
The US ‘oil and natural gas resources’ belong to the citizens of this country and are to be used by those same citizens! The price at the pump needs to go down to $2/gallon - *$3, *$3.50/gallon or *$4.00 is Not the new low!
**More Refineries are Not the Answer, Stop Exporting Fuel Is the Answer!
*If 'they' can export all that fuel, there are enough refineries already, there are NO need for More Refineries!
Take care of the domestic fuel market first and above all else before exporting and selling fuel or natural gas to other countries!
Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
goldseeker
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:35:39 AM

What a lie! They have already raped and pillaged Alberta!
ropegun11
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:34:20 AM

..From the article: "TransCanada Corp. (TRP), which says Keystone XL will be the safest pipeline ever built, isn’t planning to use infrared sensors or fiber-optic cables to detect spills along the system’s 2,000-mile (3,200-kilometer) path to Texas refineries from fields in Alberta."

...Of course they aren't, for 2 reasons: 1) It would increase costs and 2) They would rather not know about any potential/actual problems so they can feign ignorance/innocence and (they of course are hoping to) not be liable for damages/cleanup.

...From the article: “There are lots of things engineering-wise that are possible, that the industry doesn’t do,” said Carl Weimer, executive director of Pipeline Safety Trust, a fuel-transportation safety advocacy group in Bellingham, Washington. As pipeline executives say they’re changing their industry’s culture to tolerate zero incidents, companies aren’t spending on technology to catch even pinhole-sized leaks that can turn into bigger problems, Weimer said."

...and most significantly from the article: "Pipelines spilled an average of 112,569 barrels per year in the U.S. from 2007 to 2012, a 3.5 percent increase from the previous five-year period, according to U.S. Transportation Department figures compiled by Bloomberg...Keystone XL would have to be spilling more than 12,000 barrels a day -- or 1.5 percent of its 830,000 barrel capacity - - before its currently planned internal spill-detection systems would trigger an alarm, according to the U.S. State Department, which is reviewing the proposal."

...It's clear that if we really give a sh*t about our good ol' U. S. of A. land that we should be speaking out about this now, waiting until after yet another spill has destroyed it is too late.
Happytalk
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:33:11 AM

more oil please
Royski
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:27:22 AM

It's a cost-benefit analysis: if it costs
$20k/mile for fool-proof leak detection
(were such a technology available) but
expected cost of leaks are $1k/mile over
20 years, it's clearly not worth it.

Better to let the actuaries, rather than
the oil companies or the government, make
the objective analysis.

By the way, the "costs" of leaks must include
lost oil and pipeline down time, government
fines, environmental damage, litigation costs,
damage payments, management diversion, and
hard-to-quantify reputational loss. That is,
it should be fully burdened.
Eugenian
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:23:55 AM

More reckless disregard for safety from a reckless industry.
PithyOpiner
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:23:13 AM

Hey, they don't need no stinkin' spill detectors. Just hire guys to run up and down the line on scooters or horses to check for leaks.
ImPogs
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:23:00 AM

Why would they worry about spills, if it ever happens it will be on American soil.
billybopWI
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:21:34 AM

I am sure we haven't heard the last of this. If approval is granted, some form of high tech leak detection devices will be required.
findcheap
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:19:00 AM

useless pipeline except for the company and Canada
DisMusBeDaPlaz
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:17:14 AM

More oil please.
lgwhitlock
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:16:38 AM

At least they won't until the first major spill that is...
gasandgoAL
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:15:34 AM

closer to getting it finalized everyday
mahkokhan
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:10:00 AM

just another con...do not approve it, we dont need any more dirty fossil fuels!
Settjec
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:07:24 AM

Good deal.
fcdriver
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 3:03:52 AM

as long as it dont leak
otherdave
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 2:58:35 AM

Entry level employment for our new "arrivals"?
hank1326
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 2:58:07 AM

Look for solutions.
roadrunnerMO
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 2:57:26 AM

Thought obozo killed Keystone???
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 2:56:55 AM

ok
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