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nraacct
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 12:24:14 PM

The latest domestic energy boom is sweeping through some of the nation's driest pockets, drawing millions of gallons of water to unlock oil and gas reserves from beneath the Earth's surface.

Hydraulic fracturing, or the drilling technique commonly known as fracking, has been used for decades to blast huge volumes of water, fine sand and chemicals into the ground to crack open valuable shale formations.

But now, as energy companies vie to exploit vast reserves west of the Mississippi, fracking's new frontier is expanding to the same lands where crops have shriveled and waterways have dried up due to severe drought.

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teenitup
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Message Posted: Jun 21, 2013 1:11:19 PM

>>"Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink."<<

You don't have any water to drink? That's sad! And another GasBuddy likes that comment? Wow!
LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Jun 21, 2013 12:14:14 AM


Surprise!

Good MidNJ! Like your comments.
drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 2:30:37 PM

"What is the possibility that the oil & gas industry has plans to go into the water purification and delivery business?"
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Actually they already do in a sense, they are recycling 90% of the frac water in PA and delivering it back to the well sites for re-use.

The fact is water is just not the big issue that the anti-oil and gas crowd wants to make it out to be.
MidNJ
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Message Posted: Jun 18, 2013 12:02:16 AM

Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
lesndave
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2013 11:24:35 PM

Understandable, water is more important to our basic needs.
teenitup
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2013 9:05:03 AM

When they ban watering golf courses I'll start paying attention to this load of crap.
WonderfulMI
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2013 8:21:21 AM

Water or oil - which can you live without?
drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2013 12:47:20 AM

Zuegma's post is about all that need be said. Suffice it to say, water use is just one more arm of the witch hunt against fraccing.
JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2013 12:06:35 AM

Thats why fracking water needs to be cleaned and reused.
gcalleja
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Message Posted: Jun 17, 2013 12:06:06 AM

They'll improve their methods.
Snowball2013
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 11:58:09 PM

Good posts
GreatGraphics
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 11:25:49 PM

Hmmm, clean water-the foundation of all life or gas? Hmmm, so harrrd to decide
qwerty17
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 11:08:13 PM

That's gonna be a real problem.
TXCRZ
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 10:44:43 PM

Limited resources need to be replaced!
lindalm25
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 10:36:40 PM

Need to be good citizens
Carol7777
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 10:33:58 PM

It is unfortunate that fracking is taking place in drought-ridden areas & also normally dry areas. Water is a precious commodity. People & livestock need water for life & for production of food & feed. This could be a big problem. Somewhere along the line, choices may have to be made.
gta_guy
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 10:14:52 PM

Interesting points raised by some of these comments...
iFueler
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 9:49:28 PM


     not unexpected
sarasotasingle
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 9:47:05 PM

GET RID OF ETHANOL.
sillywagon
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 9:29:15 PM

Scarcity of water cries out for innovation to find ways to use less water. Is innovation being pursued?

danindenver - I'm beginning the process to look into replacing part of my lawn with "groundcover". That way I would have less grass to mow. How I despise lawnmowing!
danindenver
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 9:19:17 PM

"Farming needs and communities should be at the front."

The way that is going in Colorado is that many city folks are saying that they need the water for their lawns and screw the farmers.

Personally, I think it is high time to outlaw lawns for the sake of human consumption.

TC5504
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 9:17:10 PM

Ok
lippoe_sokan
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 8:14:02 PM

Nuclear raises similar concerns. Bottom line is that water comes into play for many processes, and water is likely to become a more precious thing over time.
YumaFellow
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 8:13:29 PM

I think the oil companies should be last in line when it comes to water resources. Farming needs and communities should be at the front.
Rayfuel
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 8:02:42 PM

ok
djwhit
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 7:59:03 PM

SOUNDS GREAT......GET IT NOW......
doyle16
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 7:13:07 PM

I am okay with fracking, IF they use NON-TOXIC (i.e. NON-POTABLE) water that will filter through the ground barrier before getting to ANYBODY's water well. Any fracking company should be responsible for ANY water well contamination!
Zuegma
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 6:31:42 PM

In reality, drilling in the US nation's dry spots is actually a blessing in disguise: it has the potential to solve their lack of water (if approached in "cooperation" with the oil companies).

But, first I'll add a tad of preamble as the article uses units that might not be all that familiar with many readers (plus the author of the article who quotes numbers I suspect he doesn't understand either) and who are more likely comfortable with the $/US gallon figure.

Do you really want to know that an “acre-foot” represents a volume of 43,545.72 square feet by 1 foot thick? Somehow, I don't think so.

His article really mentions (in acre-foot volumes) though that oil companies pay from $0.20/US gal to $0.50/US gal for the water supplied by municipalities. To put that in perspective, typical towns/cities would likely charge you about $0.02/US gal for potable/treated water: it’s no freebie for the oil companies and it shouldn’t be as there are consequences to temporary but large usage for small municipalities.
He also cites that the city of Aurora has a 5 year $9.5 million contract with Anadarko to buy their ‘treated’ sewer water [meaning non potable] for $0.004/US gal to provide for water for their hydraulic fracturing jobs on their local drilling activity. A pretty good deal for disposing of 2.4 billion gallons of contaminated water they don’t know how to handle anymore.

The oil companies have many options to deal with the volume of water required for hydraulic fracturing, such as:
- Buying it locally;
- Recycling water from a previous well(s);
- Trucking nearby brackish water and treating it on site;
- Drilling a water well (at various depths) and supplying one or more other drill sites (and then turning the well over to a local municipality for their subsequent use).

The greatest opportunity for areas with a water shortage is the actual drilling of the well and the identification of potential unused non-shallow aquifers.
In most countries, oil companies are by regulation, compelled to run a surface casing to beyond the depth where fresh water aquifers are known/suspected to exist (typically some 600 to up to 1,000 ft.) to protect them and record (before cementing the casing) basic petro-physical data (resistivity, spontaneous potential, acoustic travel time/porosity & gamma-ray levels) before continuing drilling the well to potential hydrocarbon bearing depths.
For most of the gas/oil shale plays, the drilling continues down to the 3,500 to 7,500 feet depth. In many jurisdictions, they also have to provide a continuous measurement of the cement integrity of the surface casing cementing job (called a Cement Bond Log) and of any required remediation performed (casing perforation/cement squeeze jobs) to the jurisdictional and/or State/Country drilling authority.

Oil companies (with few exceptions) would be responsive to municipalities approaching them to provide:
- If a well is found to have missed the ‘pay’ zone and has a usable aquifer in the surface casing area, to just plug the well abandonment just below the usable aquifer and turn the well over to the municipality for their use for a minimal legal fee ($1 or so);
- If a well is productive, to provide them with the information where potential fresh water aquifers could be obtained (without incurring all the costs involved in obtaining that information).

It’s all too common that this type of potential fresh water aquifer information is just filed in the archives of government and forever lost. Municipalities with an open door policy and willing to make the effort to get to know who’s going to drill in their back yards have a lot to gain.

Lack of knowledge/understanding frequently stimulates over-the-top reactions.
mccoy4107
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 6:29:22 PM

not sure what the fix is for this.
teafortwo
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 5:47:20 PM


What is the possibility that the oil & gas industry has plans to go into the water purification and delivery business?

If you think they gouge you on fuel prices ....... ?
livedream
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 3:41:52 PM

This was inevitable where water is scarce to begin with.

Water is far more precious than fuel. We need water to survive.
Tacodan
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 3:38:53 PM

@¿@
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ktbaeohana
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 3:35:01 PM

Not safe. beware what will happen in the future with fracking drilling.
BeemerBikerUT
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 3:33:17 PM

To drink water or drive?
Sapper08
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 3:31:11 PM

I hope fracking dies before it kills us.
PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 3:30:06 PM


72_Monte: Gotta keep water for the important stuff...drinking.

And with water already in short supply in areas like California, Arizona and New Mexico, as long as fracking continues to use toxic chemicals that contaminate the water, people will continue to oppose fracking.
72_Monte
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 3:21:03 PM


Gotta keep water for the important stuff...drinking.
Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 3:08:04 PM

They need to develop waterless fracking further. It's possible.
mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 3:03:43 PM

Without water we cant survive
gizbo123
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 2:41:13 PM

Always fracking probs.
RBob
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 2:31:44 PM

In the long run water is more valuable to the human race than is oil.
LanguageMan1
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 2:22:31 PM

I could imagine so, and I wouldn't want fracking going on there.
dodsworth
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 2:11:10 PM

Interesting article. Too bad it's come to this. "The gods" should not be bored.
Taxrefugee
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 2:10:27 PM

Anything by the greenies to stop a promising technology that will lower energy costs, thereby delaying their green for everybody no matter the cost agenda
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 1:59:38 PM

Get rid of fracking.
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 1:57:24 PM

Hmmmmmm? Food or oil?
JoeKR
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 1:34:50 PM

I think it should be this simple - any water used for fracking in low water reserves areas should be imported from areas of abundance. It his makes fracking in the subject area too expensive then it is economically unviable.
RRBC
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 1:32:11 PM

Terrible destruction
Flashcube
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 1:27:38 PM

In the future, wars will be fought over fresh water, just as much as energy. It's coming.
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Message Posted: Jun 16, 2013 1:15:31 PM

Many people have often said that the next world war will be fought over WATER RIGHTS.
evowner
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Trading water for oil. Water is essential for life, oil is not.
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