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Eugenian

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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 6:49:07 AM

Could severe water shortages short-circuit the US shale gas boom? With 64% of the country in drought, water is looming as the next hot-button issue in the debate over hydrofracturing, also known as fracking, which involves injecting chemical-laden water under high pressure to create fissures in subterranean rock formations so gas and oil can be extracted.

A comprehensive survey of fracking and water availability, due to be released Thursday, found that 47% of oil and gas wells are located in high or extremely high water-stressed areas.
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: May 6, 2013 8:59:21 AM


More name calling as usual! You well know that fracking will exacerbate any water shortage in drouth prone states listed. Somebody needs to wake up. If 'crying wolf' as you put it is necessary.....then so be it.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: May 6, 2013 2:18:19 AM

LOL, this "comprehensive" Eco-imperialist study from Ceres is just the kind of crying wolf Cakesy feeds on!

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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: May 5, 2013 11:31:18 PM


I must repeat; "BUT, as the article says, "A comprehensive survey of fracking and water availability, due to be released Thursday, found that 47% of oil and gas wells are located in high or extremely high water-stressed areas. The report compiled by Ceres, the Boston-based nonprofit that promotes corporate sustainability, is based on water consumption information from 25,450 wells reported by drillers to a database called FracFocus between January 2011 and September 2012."

So is you live in a drought prone state such as TX, OK, CO, and many of the Western states....fracking is dangerous to you drinking water. As in, Big is competing with your right to water. Frack away, as I smell a Dust Bowl.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: May 4, 2013 10:13:17 AM

Actually teenitup, this bull feces coming from the Eco-imperialist left at Ceres and Quartz stands corrected! Well done! May you shoot par on the course today!

[Edited by: drpepperTX at 5/4/2013 10:17:56 AM EST]
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teenitup
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 5:03:47 PM

I stand corrected!
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 3:31:17 PM

teenitup, one point you brought up was a study on water availability, the study was released just this year, in March. A key point because the study period covered the time frame of the drought in Texas.

Experts statements in the study showed that water used in drilling and fraccing accounts for only 1.6 percent of the state's total water use. Irrigation and municipal consumers use 82.8 percent of Texas' water.

The study demonstrated that the drought is number one cause for concern of Texas water users, not the oil and gas industries 1.6% of the water use.”

As to Cakesy's comment "As in, Big is competing with your right to water. Frack away, as I smell a Dust Bowl." I think Cakesy needs a history lesson, the "Dust Bowl" was the result of poor farming and land management. And I might add that 1-2% is very little, if any, real competition to anyone's right to water.

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dunedate
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 3:22:47 PM

I guess they will need to desalinate sea water then.
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 10:44:35 AM


This water issue is particularly important in California. Already drinking water for people and crop water for farmers are on so short supply. Fracking will only exasperate that situation.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 9:18:36 AM

Excellent points teenitup and you are spot on with "When you consider just how much energy is produced using such a small fraction of water it is amazing the lengths some are going to to try and vilify fracking. But I guess some are so dead set against oil and natural gas they continue going to those length's no matter the factual realities."

One look at Cakesy's comment does nothing but solidify your point.

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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 9:14:54 AM

"The amount of gas that is captured and the amount that escapes into the upper atmosphere is an additional problem; it is spoken little of."
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Actually, it's spoken a lot of, and even the EPA has admitted the amount of methane release is dramatically lower than they thought.
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jrs4125
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 6:36:57 AM

Price of clean water..... higher than oil?
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kkimes
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 1:07:27 AM

Don't worry. They'll give it back to us to drink when they are done.
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CdnLynx
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 12:51:00 AM

Both Links (to Quartz) are working, same article as per "Read the full Article and the link provided by TeaforTwo.

The use of large amounts of water (Mostly potable), particularly in the horizontal fracturing of the earth is wrong and a needless waste.
The amount of gas that is captured and the amount that escapes into the upper atmosphere is an additional problem; it is spoken little of. That's another reason, I have always stated that better left locked in the ground until it is actually needed.
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 12:23:44 AM


Perhaps nationwide only 1% of water is used for fracking.

BUT, as the article says, "A comprehensive survey of fracking and water availability, due to be released Thursday, found that 47% of oil and gas wells are located in high or extremely high water-stressed areas. The report compiled by Ceres, the Boston-based nonprofit that promotes corporate sustainability, is based on water consumption information from 25,450 wells reported by drillers to a database called FracFocus between January 2011 and September 2012."

So is you live in a drought prone state such as TX, OK, CO, and many of the Western states....fracking is dangerous to you drinking water. As in, Big is competing with your right to water. Frack away, as I smell a Dust Bowl.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 11:35:20 PM

Sounds like drpeppertx numbers posted below are correct, even according to this article less than 1% of water consumed by people in the U.S. is used in fracking.

It's also good to know that engineers are recycling 40% of the water used in fracking as well. And a study last year in Texas showed there was ample water for fracking even though Texas was deep in drought.

When you consider just how much energy is produced using such a small fraction of water it is amazing the lengths some are going to to try and vilify fracking. But I guess some are so dead set against oil and natural gas they continue going to those length's no matter the factual realities.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 6:52:19 PM


FROM THE ARTICLE:

“Prolonged drought conditions in many part of Texas and Colorado last summer created increased competition and conflict between farmers, communities and energy developers, which is only likely to continue,” the study found. “In areas such as Colorado and North Dakota, industry has been able to secure water supplies by paying a higher premium for water from other users or by getting temporary permits. Neither of these practices can be guaranteed to work in the future.”

During the study period, drillers nationwide used 68.5 billion gallons of water—equivalent to the amount 2.5 million people would consume in a year. But Ceres researchers said that number most likely underestimates water use by fracking because disclosures to the FracFocus database are voluntary.

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teafortwo
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 6:31:42 PM


This site has great articles, but weird links. Try this one:

A new problem for fracking: Drillers are running out of water

Water. Essential to life.

"Water, water, every where,
And all the boards did shrink;
Water, water, every where,
Nor any drop to drink."

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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 4:49:47 PM

Give them all the good drinking water they need, they will pollute it.
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crep1291
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 11:19:33 AM

And another hot summer is coming (on the east and west coasts)...
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leraar2
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:25:04 AM

farmers are being priced out.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:11:31 AM

Another big pile of bull feces. From an Eco-imperialist, leftist outfit.

The real story:
All shale gas wells drilled and completed in the United States in 2011 consumed on the order of 135 billion gallons of water, equivalent to about 0.3 percent of total U.S. freshwater consumption.
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geezrtek
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 9:26:30 AM

"Ceres - Mobilizing Business Leadership for a Sustainable World." From Ceres (author of the study) home page. Sustainability, a code word for enviro-MENTAL-ists. The study done using figures from the worst drought in 30 years is surely dispassionate and legitimate science. Nothing to see here.

Environ-MENTAL-ist twaddle.
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merlinCO
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 9:03:23 AM

Much bigger problem than being told.
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txequitygas
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 8:55:17 AM

not enough water, with floods and oceans all over. Now not enough water in places where the oil wells are located. We need to locate the wells near floods and oceans..
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 8:21:41 AM

I always figured that would become a huge issue.
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Hawg1408
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 8:16:23 AM

Interesting
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doeslayersr
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 8:10:24 AM

Article snippet and headline does not match up with article link. Article should be removed.
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scu227
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 8:08:37 AM

now that could be a real dilema
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lcleveland
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 8:06:10 AM

and there's a drought
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SSwathwood
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:55:55 AM

Very bad. A real dilemma.
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EnviroChemist
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:55:51 AM

This has always been a problem with fracking getting enough usable water; the drought in Texas exacerbated the situation there.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:55:12 AM

They will manage.
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Taxrefugee
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:54:03 AM

Not a big deal. Droughts come and go - witness the upper Midwest. In drought just a few months ago, they are now dealing with flooding.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:43:01 AM

potable water and breathable air... the ultimate population control. well, then gasbuddies will have something to whine about instead of lack of cheap fuel.
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moneyfornothing
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:29:01 AM

There are companies that can recycle up to 80% of the water used to frack a well but it cannot then be used for drinking or potable water. It can only be used for fracking.
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Joeski1
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:19:21 AM

but we really don't need that water for anything else right??

our comes from plastic bottles much the same way tuna fish comes from a can...
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Joeski1
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:17:39 AM

they can't recycle it...

and guess what??

they can't clean it either!!!

they simply bury it all under ground under pressure....

and that fixes that....

until it leaks out... and poisons the aquifers and creeks....

[Edited by: Joeski1 at 5/2/2013 7:18:42 AM EST]
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scottyiam
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:15:17 AM

They cant recycle the water, it is to contaminated with the compounds needed for successful fracking
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eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:12:31 AM

It's amazing someone finally realized this, I have been commenting about it for months.

Fracking uses valuable freshwater, they don't use ocean water.

If contaminated ground water does get into local groundwater supplies it will multiply the problem.
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:02:12 AM

Just use recycled water!
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Gas_Eyes
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 7:01:28 AM

They need to bring water in from elsewhere.
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Eagle3236
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 6:57:05 AM

Yes,water shortage is a problem! Need to build water pipeline from Illinois.
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