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Eugenian
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 3:21:10 AM

In our frenetic, jolts-per-digital-minute world, sometimes it's the glacial that stands out. Glacial as in, say, the slow-as-molasses process of separating American fingers from the steering wheels of their gas guzzlers.

Nothing says home of the brave, land of the free like power under the hood, right? And for most of our lives, nothing has truly upset that equation, not even the brief American dalliance with four-cylinder fails like the AMC Gremlin during the 1970s Arab oil embargo.

But a funny thing is happening on the way to 2025 and the 54.5/miles-per-gallon fuel economy standard set by the Obama administration (and later adopted by Canada) -- the new rules are actually working, according to a new progress report by the Consumer Federation of America (CFA).

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honda0105
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Message Posted: May 6, 2013 12:01:20 AM

the only really difficult drive with a small 4-banger was a Toyota Aygo that I was chasing up and own mountainous chasms on the island of Crete some years ago. However, that's mostly steeper terrain than even in the Rockies. And there were 3 ppl in the vehicle.
honda0105
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Message Posted: May 5, 2013 12:01:40 AM

4-bangers have come a long ways in the US. It's not the engine size, it's the gear ratio. And manufacturers have finally figured that out.
beachd8
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:59:47 PM

I used to have a 4 cylinder. Don't ever want to do that again! I could get out of my car & run up a mountainside faster than that car could drive. And, yes, I lived in a mountainous place when I owned it.
coughlin
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:54:18 PM

It's cyclical based on the price of gas (less inflation).
beachd8
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 10:52:26 PM

ItsMorph: Yup! And remember to have room for all the stuff for those people in the car at the same time.
MOREDLEG
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 9:03:14 PM

Lets not get confused with Americans CHOICES with OBAMA Mandates.

I thought that he was pro choice...

I guess that is only the PC Choices.
Lugi1967
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 9:01:58 PM

We should be
endymion
Champion Author New York

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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 1:51:26 PM

Most consumers hear the message that bigger and faster are better. This will maintain the market for "new and improved" for a long time to come.
mrpc90
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 8:21:28 AM

Will the Toronto Star be asking the same question about their fellow Canadians?
mnrick041
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 6:13:53 AM

If you want a compact car and it fits your needs then buy one. Personally I do not like compact cars, I do not like the way they drive/feel on the road and in a collision with a normal sized vehicle you have a higher chance of getting injured.

I do not drive a big truck or a SUV, I just like my midsized sedans. Currently driving a Fusion and it works just fine for me. If the Govt tries to force me into something like a Honda Fit sized car it would just make driving miserable for me.
DrCashFlow
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 5:25:14 AM

suv's are like second homes for soccer moms on their cell phones
KrsnaDragon
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 3:52:08 AM

Americans may buy more small cars, but no time soon will larger vehicles be unwelcome to Americans.
comprof
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 2:21:27 AM

No.
abacus44
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 1:09:31 AM

You don't need a 2 1/2 - 3 ton SUV just to haul groceries. They have their purposes but too many are overkill for what is really needed.
vrossi46
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:55:59 AM

with the price of gas, it's either give em up or hit the lottery
jetskijerry
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:54:06 AM

no
Vette1967
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:53:59 AM

Some gas guzzlers are cheaper to buy.
SHEP20715
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:50:50 AM

Some people will always deny the inevitable.
ItsMorph
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:50:23 AM

Well, get me a vehicle that can hold the 8 people I need to be in one car and that gets me 54.5 miles per gallon or better, and can still accelerate to highway speeds while I'm on the ON-RAMP instead of hitting 30 MPH by the end and possibly get rear-ended, and we'll talk.

That said, our main vehicle is a Lexus RX. I use larger vehicles when I need larger vehicles.
Dragnet
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:44:04 AM

Nope
dieselgus1
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:43:17 AM

needs to happen, whether you like it or not
Methodist
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:40:11 AM

k
JCClark2012
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:39:10 AM

Who can afford a new small car with new technology that cost as much as a luxury sedan
Zonk
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:39:07 AM

Not totally........yet.
mfeldstein
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:38:08 AM

Americans are too macho to let go of the gas guzzlers.
rd2000
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:34:07 AM

we love our eco car
watchdog91
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:33:49 AM

Oh Canada.
granitestater
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:33:37 AM

The new fuel for today's eco-friendly cars--imagination...
10k
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:32:02 AM

i love these nobama-type articles..obviously the writer of this article (?) has never been to God's country-the south..i wonder if they have even been over the bridge into detroit, the tombstone of america..

if you're a northerner, you are welcome down here..if you're a yankee-head to canada..
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:30:37 AM

Show me your sources, @txkrb. I got mine from Motor Trend. They know plenty about horsepower.

Learn to stop cherry-picking numbers to suit your pre-conceived notions, @txkrb. That way you'll stop embarrassing yourself.
vulcan96
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:30:04 AM

i love my ECO Chevy Cruze
yyc2yow
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:27:49 AM

Nooooooooooo
bobdec
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:27:14 AM

Only the smarter middle class
Hi1
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:26:22 AM

I like my big car and I fill safer in it
charg3rguy1991
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:25:36 AM

No way
bston
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:25:00 AM

A matter of personal preference.
Bigwaynef
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:23:53 AM

Well when the gas prices aren't ridiculous, I can see running the ole Charger, but where prices are right now, I can wait awhile!
Godozo
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:23:12 AM

Here's my observations:

In 2007 and early 2008, I would say that half the vehicles on the road were utility trucks and SUVs. This in Northwest Indiana, an urban-suburban conglomerate Southeast of Chicago, and I can tell you that most of those people didn't need the extra storage space in the "trunk," nor did they really need to take those things over rough roads. I also remember Hummers and the new Honda Ridgeline and GM remaking their minivans over to look more SUV vehicles and seeing all the concept cars at the Chicago Auto Show being SUVs and Utility Trucks (especially the Avanti Concept SUV – UGH!).

Move up five years, and SUVs and Trucks are down to a healthier, more necessary number on the streets of Northwest Indiana. The Hummer name is gone, remembered more by old quanset-hut-inspired bildings with a big H in their windows, Ford and Chrysler have made their SUVs look more car-like and GM has reduced the number of heavier-duty vehicles from 14 in the mid-2000s to 6 (and three of those are in the Crossover section, a vehicle type that didn't exist before the mid-2000s), and small cars dominated the last Chicago Auto Show I went to.

Things are definitely changing, with smaller cars getting more and more use.
JagXKR
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:22:25 AM

You can have my gas guzzler when you pull it from my cold dead hands. :)
DustyHorse
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:21:59 AM

Sound why are pickup sales so high this month?
Tigercat88
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:20:25 AM

I will never give up my F150 Pickups.
mcmonsta
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:19:08 AM

only under a lot of duress
txkrb
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:18:56 AM

Per aviatorrob - A lot of people up north already keep two cars, @CCLighthouse; one nice one for warm weather and one 15 to 20 year old beater car with snow tires and rear-wheel drive.

Everything I read states front wheel drive is better in snow

Per aviatorrob - In 1982, the average family car had 100 horsepower and went from zero to 60 in 15 seconds. Today's cars have at least twice as much horsepower and can hit 0 to 60 in under 10 seconds.
Wrong in the early 80s, average V-6 averaged was 150 hp and V-8s 200 hp
4 cylinders engines averaged 80 hp, only the smallest of cars had less than 60 hp
Learn some basic math rob


[Edited by: txkrb at 5/2/2013 12:22:24 AM EST]
forteras
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:18:45 AM

I, for one, sure did!
crreed1
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:18:39 AM

i don't think so
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:17:24 AM

No, @txkrb. Not everybody. Only the ones who need to hear some hard truths and are living in a fantasyland.
jamofsocal
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:16:17 AM

Americans want quality in their cars. Give us that and a company will be successful.
jrschl
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:14:43 AM

If you have to have a larger vehicle, there isn't much of an option.
jrsva
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:13:53 AM

“Higher miles per gallon = Higher highway deaths”

That’s complete BS. Modern cars are much safer in a crash than the gas hogs of 30 years ago. In either one you are dead in a head-on with a semi but in more ordinary crashes or roll-overs, the small, modern cars have excellent safety records. My wife rolled our Subaru a couple of years ago. The car looked like it had gone thru a ball mill but she was unhurt.

bolobill
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:13:03 AM

ok
rahcat
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 12:11:57 AM

txkrb......you mean Bloviator_Rob. Just put him on ignore like I did.
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