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Huntingdog

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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:52:34 AM

A coalition of environmental groups says it has discovered that large-scale shipments of low-quality heavy crude oil from Canada's tar sands are being delivered by rail for processing by Southern California refineries.

The groups on Tuesday called for an investigation by air-quality officials to evaluate the effects on health, air quality, safety and the climate of processing the heavy Canadian crude, which requires intensive processing to remove higher levels of sulfur to meet U.S. standards.

The Natural Resources Defense Council and Communities for a Better Environment say they worry that refineries now processing the semi-solid form of oil have increased their noxious emissions and raised risks of accidental spills and accidents. The process of refining tar sands oil is more corrosive
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KAR120CSII
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 1:23:22 PM

Snooooore --
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nsdp
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 12:35:33 PM

Oh if the real story was a simple as what the author posted. California has setup a cap and trade system that scores all fuel sources by total carbon content including the carbon used to produce and transport them. This is a total life cycle score. About 1/3 of California's crude oil(Kern County mostly) is very heavy like tar sands and is produced using steam flood. Three coal plants power the steam floods and use Wyoming coal. So between the API grade, rail transport of coal to the stream flood plants, and using coal to power the steam flood plants, the California crude turns out to be dirtier than Canadian tar sands which use coproduced NG and condensate for power on site, rail for bitumen is a wash with the coal transported for the steam floods, and API grade. The difference in carbon score between NG and coal and the use of Wyoming Powder River instead of Utah Unita coal puts the Kern crude enough higher in carbon score to force the refiners to switch.

Be careful what you ask for you just might get it. In this case California gets a lower global usage of carbon fuels.

[Edited by: nsdp at 4/3/2013 12:36:51 PM EST]
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lesabreAZ
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 12:11:38 PM

Wahhhhhhh! there's water in my gas...WAhhhh!
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RBob
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 12:03:20 PM

California should be required to produce all the gas that they use in the state.
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BurtB
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:57:25 AM

you missed the point USM.

The environmental group is trying to get the Cal. Refinery prevented from using oil from Canada Tarsands.
They don't care if the air quality is effected (its not).

They only care that humans are using more oil, and in their religion, oil is bad. So fraudulent lawsuits are morally correct for them. They must drive up the price of gas, which means limit the amount of cheaper oil used.
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mitt4prez
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:55:46 AM

"...rather have no oil being delivered? "

Got it. This is The Green dream.
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USMCturtlehead
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:40:09 AM

Quit complaining and do your job of refining the oil. You have to take the bad as well as the good.
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Bttlecat
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:03:54 AM

refining is just that, makes a product while removing the unwanted, rather have no oil being delivered?
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