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NOTSOGRN
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 12:57:43 AM

A coalition of environmental groups says it has discovered that large-scale shipments of low-quality heavy crude oil from Canada's tar sands are being delivered by rail for processing by Southern California refineries.

The groups on Tuesday called for an investigation by air-quality officials to evaluate the effects on health, air quality, safety and the climate of processing the heavy Canadian crude, which requires intensive processing to remove higher levels of sulfur to meet U.S. standards.

The Natural Resources Defense Council and Communities for a Better Environment say they worry that refineries now processing the semi-solid form of oil have increased their noxious emissions and raised risks of accidental spills and accidents. The process of refining tar sands oil is more...
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 9:02:34 AM

does that mean we will see even less quality fuel at the pumps?
flyfast
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 3:52:10 PM

better than getting it from opec
nb52
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 6:49:06 AM

Get out of the way of progress.
rbutterw
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 6:43:54 AM

OH NO !!! We are getting more business - let's stop that, it will kill us all. ROFL
tomok
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 2:15:09 AM

UGroups seek probe into low-grade crude shipments to L.A. Refineries? LA receiving low quality, heavy crude oil from Canada? As long as it's legal, safe and environmentaly friendly – go for it!
Drive vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
obimerrill
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:06:55 AM

Oh brother!? The idiots on the left coast don't like their jobs going away, but also don't like it when oil companies tr to bring work into the state!

They are IDIOTS IMHO!
Godozo
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:05:07 AM

Fracking will eventually come about...if nothing else, because it will be either that or the Canuck Corrosion Crude.
mlmeng
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:04:04 AM

Let the Natural Resources Defense Council and Communities for a Better Environment pay for any probes. If something is found, then they would get reimbursed. If nothing is found, they would not be reimbursed.
dougtaylor1
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:03:59 AM

Bugger off.
Double_Golden
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:03:54 AM

are we the consumers being scam here in CA, using low-grade crude to refined gasoline and charged premium priced that over $4/gallon...
boatmen
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 12:01:42 AM

probe
Mr Tex
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:58:09 PM

Probe .. study take up time.
TravellinTom
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:57:40 PM

The land of fruits and nuts!
kcboy
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:52:11 PM

ok
mstearno
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:51:59 PM

amen hawiianguy
HawaiianGuy
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:50:27 PM

And so what if they are? These sp-called "environmentalists" can take their whining elsewhere. They whine about EVERYTHING that has anything to do with fossil fuel and throw their hissy fits if they don't get their way. Who the hell died and left THEM in charge, I'd like to know? They are of no consequence to me. As far as I'm concerned, they'll lie, cheat, and steal to push their agenda, so they have zilch credibility in my book.
OGW
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:48:08 PM

Let them walk first.
bvrbill
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:47:24 PM

No wonder Calfornia is broke.
nigelb
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:44:31 PM

It will be interesting to watch this battle.
Dragnet
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:43:25 PM

Here is the problem. Environmental groups. Nothing but a bunch of losers based on their liberal views. Stick these suckers in the woods and let them hug trees and put their nose back on their face.
69Bonne
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:43:03 PM

Ridiculous
Gas4Gore
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:42:51 PM

Okay.
boldrph
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:42:15 PM

who needs breathable air?
ldiggy
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:41:08 PM

Ok.
clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:40:00 PM

Greenies going wild!

Let the greenies walk. Let them freeze. Let them go broke. Let them go first.

Green is red.
us4usa
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:37:53 PM

If LA wants air-quality they should go back to horse and buggy...
patino007
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:35:48 PM

not going get nothing
gasmack
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:32:31 PM

If the AQMD rules are followed the tar sands crude should be no problem.
SavALot
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:32:31 PM

Might uncover something significant
Titan_62
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:31:18 PM

Thanks for posting
sydb7
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:28:06 PM

Don' worry it is all for export...
geoutpb
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:26:56 PM

WTI needs to get more expensive.
sparky22
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:25:19 PM

below the beat
pgerassi
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:23:56 PM

More NIMBYers.
abcdMA
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:19:18 PM

it is oil from a friendly neighbor, not OPEC
brprven
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:16:42 PM

ok
CatMan623
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:16:01 PM

I'm sure California would be happy for all refineries to leave the state. I hope they get their wish. More jobs for the rest of the country.
MAC48
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:07:59 PM

These environmental groups really need to get their heads screwed back on and see daylight once again. Their opposition to the shipping and refining of the heavy Canadian crude oil here in the US is foolish.

It is logical that it is much better for the environment to have the heavy Canadian crude oil refined here in the US under our current environmental regulations than to have the very same heavy Canadian crude oil shipped to China or to some third world nation for refining under much less stringent environmental regulations. Make no mistake about what the real issue is because the heavy Canadian crude oil refined somewhere and the real issue is where.
vibdata
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:07:57 PM

Let Canada refine its own. Leave that stuff completely alone.
BREW9
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:04:52 PM

greed
Chas58
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:04:24 PM

Sounds like California. We're paying top prices for cheap stuff. You poor babys, not in my back yard!
MAC48
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:04:07 PM

These environmental groups really need to get their heads screwed back on and see daylight once again. Their opposition to the shipping and refining of the heavy Canadian crude oil here in the US is foolish.

It is logical that it is much better for the environment to have the heavy Canadian crude oil refined here in the US under our current environmental regulations than to have the very same heavy Canadian crude oil shipped to China or to some third world nation for refining under much less stringent environmental regulations. Make no mistake about what the real issue is because the heavy Canadian crude oil refined somewhere and the real issue is where.
serrog
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:02:07 PM

Suckers
okgasbud
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:02:00 PM

May help to explain why gas prices are so high in California.
REKEY
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:00:49 PM

Like they can stop greed!
lindalm25
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:50:38 PM

Love the name ... The Natural Resources Defense Council and Communities for a Better Environment
Medic55
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:48:02 PM

OK.
mdcsgt
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:46:55 PM

"CALIFORNIA" Isn't that a new COUNTRY? Always something, tons of laws, hoops, guidelines, or anything else to SPEND unnecessary money THEY DON"T HAVE!!
wayoung56
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:44:25 PM

More stoopid tree hugging environmentalist commie wacko BS!!!
tucker355
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:44:01 PM

Hmmm...
CCLighthouse
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:42:25 PM

I think they need a vacation. And not come back!
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