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BeaconLite Champion Author Ottawa Posts:1,958 Points:373,175 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 5:57:04 PM Ignore BeaconLite Report Abuse WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After the Keystone XL oil pipeline cleared an important hurdle last week, critics of the project are searching for ways to force more of the delays that have dogged it for more than four years already. Visit By Timothy Gardner \| Reuters – for full article

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After the Keystone XL oil pipeline cleared an important hurdle last week, critics of the project are searching for ways to force more of the delays that have dogged it for more than four years already.

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nsdp Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,117 Points:47,340 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 1:07:54 PM Ignore nsdp Report Abuse I think that people here miss the significance of Valero buying rail cars instead of investing in Keystone. Valero sees crude needing to go somewhere other than where Keystone will deliver it.
Taxrefugee Champion Author Arizona Posts:1,418 Points:389,920 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 1:02:57 PM Ignore Taxrefugee Report Abuse No rational reason so they resort to nonsensical stuff now.
qwerty17 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,660 Points:1,120,375 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 8:09:10 AM Ignore qwerty17 Report Abuse it's coming...
Trudat316 Veteran Author Missouri Posts:323 Points:54,290 Joined:Feb 2013	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 1:14:15 AM Ignore Trudat316 Report Abuse Don't worry. The United Corporation-States of America will eventually replace the USA, and then business can resume without hindrance.
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,072 Points:796,655 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:43:12 AM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse The title of the article (Keystone XL critics now hang hopes on delaying the pipeline) says it all. And the "greenies" have already done a marvelous job to secure delay after delay. My guess is that BO will NOT approve the KXL and that this project will need to sit tight until 2017, if there is still an interest then and a United States of America.
Trudat316 Veteran Author Missouri Posts:323 Points:54,290 Joined:Feb 2013	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:30:43 AM Ignore Trudat316 Report Abuse Ditto to what eomc17 just wrote.
1momsunshine Champion Author Ottawa Posts:5,510 Points:1,004,480 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:06:22 AM Ignore 1momsunshine Report Abuse Farce
eomc17 Champion Author Tucson Posts:1,822 Points:134,145 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:01:57 PM Ignore eomc17 Report Abuse If Obama would lower the whopping 44% tax he imposes on refiners, they might be inclined to export less gas and distillates. We all know that if the Keystone XL pipeline deal is approved, the refiners will export ALL of it, especially if Obozo insists on taxing the hell out of them. I oppose the pipeline because with the number of storms and tornadoes we've had in the Midwest in recent years, the pipeline will leak or burst and the toxic tar sands oil will wreck havoc on our soil and in our waters. Plus, as long as there is no commitment from big oil to keep any of that oil here, this pipeline deal will not lead to lower gas prices, in fact they'll go up as soon as there is any problem with the pipeline or distribution from Canada.
nsdp Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,117 Points:47,340 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:29:24 PM Ignore nsdp Report Abuse For those of us who can remember Alyeska, this is far from a done deal. Biggest impediment I see is the Energy Act of 2005 and the provisions to prevent blackouts. Since the grid in the area of 5 pump stations in Nebraska is only 69kv you will not be able to start the pumps on three stations if two stations are already running. The voltage drop in starting the third motor will cause the voltage to go too low and the line to drop all five stations. The best case is a local blackout in northern Nebraska; but depending on time of year it may cascade like Ohio did in 2003. It is a problem severe enough to require the use of 97mw of diesel engine powered generation right now as I type this to keep the lights on in that area. That fuel costs 30 cents per kwh which Keystone will have to pay all of. Modifications of lines in that area to get cheaper electricity affect Ft Calhoun and Cooper nuclear plants directly and Wolf Creek in an N-2 contingency. That means the NRC and the North American Electric Reliability Council will have to approve the plans to upgrade the grid and that won't happen until 2014. NPPD has already announce that in a story that posted twice here. After that NPPD will have to file an application to build the lines at the Nebraska PUC. Then NPPD can order the transformers and oil circuit breakers(delivery early 2016 since there are no high voltage transmission transformer manufacturers left in the US these are not off the shelf items and spares elsewhere cannot be used after the Ohio blackout. The problems are such that all you have to do is look at the delays that the new generating plant at Holcomb Kansas has encountered in the last 6 years. 2016 is the soonest that the pumps will run. If oil production in the lower 48 continues to develop at its current pace there will be no market for the oil. Production increases in Texas alone will be 85% of Keystone capacity. Economics of the pipeline operations will lock the crude out of the Gulf Coast refining market.
A_NY_Outlaw Champion Author Albany Posts:1,383 Points:708,615 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:45:03 PM Ignore A_NY_Outlaw Report Abuse The greenies will do anything even at the expense of the pain that the rest of us are feeling at the pump.
listerone Champion Author Boston Posts:3,390 Points:881,465 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:42:53 PM Ignore listerone Report Abuse Worthless Marxist watermelons
Lugi1967 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,803 Points:1,005,170 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:09:26 PM Ignore Lugi1967 Report Abuse Farce
YaBassa Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,445 Points:520,025 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:00:00 PM Ignore YaBassa Report Abuse Keep that WCS poison in Canada
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:612,200 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 7:42:13 PM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse The Narcissist-in-Chief will not approve the pipeline--period! He is too invested in his ideology of using climate change (or is it global warming this week, can't keep track) to foist socialism on the US populace.
app063 Sophomore Author Maryland Posts:170 Points:155,680 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 7:17:51 PM Ignore app063 Report Abuse The movement of this project is like tracking the movement of a glacier. Inches a day!
montpelier28 All-Star Author Vermont Posts:626 Points:789,280 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 7:04:23 PM Ignore montpelier28 Report Abuse won't help, done deal
jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:5,889 Points:1,522,145 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 6:59:01 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse Delaying tactics is nothing new with this project.
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:7,570 Points:1,790,500 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 6:56:56 PM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse Canadian oil should be refined in Canada.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,337 Points:2,375,145 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 6:36:30 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse such nutz belong in jail