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GasPennyPincher

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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:30:25 AM

It started out as a blemish on the Detroit riverfront, but during the past several weeks has mushroomed into a massive black mound.

The pile of what was first thought to be coal has triggered environmental concerns on this side of the river — it has reached at least four stories in height and is a few hundred metres in length along the riverfront east of the Ambassador Bridge.

Visit The Windsor Star for full article
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2013 3:22:35 PM

"Listen, we’re Canadians, we know how we’re supposed to treat the environment,” says Jack Frye of Tecumseh. His sons John and Noel own Detroit Bulk Storage, which manages the coke stockpiles."

Coke Piles equals Canadian Jobs
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 3:34:43 PM

Latest news is that it's being shipped to Nova Scotia. Thanks Canada, you can have it back now that we're done.
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2013 2:06:03 PM

Okay, bad link. Try these:

Second massive pile of petcoke grows on Detroit’s skyline

Formal request made for Ottawa to act on petroleum coke pile on Detroit River
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2013 1:25:00 PM

An updated article:

Environmental concerns spike...
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teafortwo
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 6:45:37 PM


Since pet coke is a toxic leftover from processing Canadian tarsands bitumen, and the US imports more product from Canada than any other single country to make gas for transportation .... with the result of growing mounds of toxic pet coke being piled around?

Gee? Do some need help connecting the dots?

And the desperation continues to mount .....

There is none so blind as those that will not see .....
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:32:59 PM

Good question drpeppertx, teafortwo must not read the article past the headline?
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remay
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 12:21:35 PM

Relevance to THIS news forum is a stretch...
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 11:07:01 AM

teafertwo says "These growing toxic piles of petroleum coke appear to be another dirty "little" secret of just how dirty and hazardous the tarsands product is. Again the oil & gas industry chooses to pay shills to deceive the public rather than invest in proper handling of toxic substances and by-products.

One can often get a sense of how serious a topic is by how desperately the industry shills attempt to disrupt the discussion..."

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LOL, I wonder what part of,

"The coke is NOT TOXIC, he said.

The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality said it was not aware of the massive black pile until this week, but confirmed Tuesday it is NOT necessarily a dangerous material.

“It can be sold as it does have a combustion value to someone,” said Andy Hartz, southeast Michigan district coordinator for MDEQ. “It’s storage is not something that requires a permit from us. It is listed as a NON-HAZARDOUS substance by the federal government.”

that teafertwo just does not get? But then again the Eco-imperialist shills like tea will throw around words like "toxic" and pretend they are not the ones using deception, fear and paranoia.
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teafortwo
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 3:40:34 AM


These growing toxic piles of petroleum coke appear to be another dirty "little" secret of just how dirty and hazardous the tarsands product is. Again the oil & gas industry chooses to pay shills to deceive the public rather than invest in proper handling of toxic substances and by-products.

Sad.

One can often get a sense of how serious a topic is by how desperately the industry shills attempt to disrupt the discussion. This one appears to be a real zinger by the flurry of off topic remarks by the usual suspects.

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goldrose1
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 3:27:05 AM

Such a mess and not one doing anything about it.
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:04:57 PM


What a great future we may look forward to as more U.S. refineries 'gear up' to handle caustic Canadian tar sands bitumen.
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:59:47 PM


As always, the real story is much different than any misinformation or diversions from the oil shill contingent here!

"The petroleum coke — or ‘petcoke’ as it’s called — recently started to be produced in much greater amounts at the nearby Marathon Oil refinery in Detroit.

The refinery, which sits behind Zug Island next to the I-75 freeway, completed a massive $2-billion facility upgrade last fall allowing it to process heavy Canadian crude oil brought in by pipeline from the Alberta tar sands. The refinery processes 120,000 barrels per day of crude oil.

Petroleum coke is a fine powder which gets distilled and filtered out from the crude. It’s resold for such uses as producing asphalt or as a replacement for coal.

Power plants have increasingly turned to burning petcoke because it is 25 per cent cheaper than coal, said Stockman, who authored on a recent report on the growing use of the fuel and its environmental impacts.

Petcoke looks and burns like coal, but is dirtier because of higher carbon emissions, Stockman said. Although not officially listed as a toxic or hazardous product, it can contain heavy metals or sulphur found inside tar sands crude oil, he said.

“You wouldn’t want this stuff in your water (being next to the riverfront),” he said. “It could be leaching heavy metals and sulphur.”

Petcoke has been handled in refineries in Texas, Louisiana and California, but is often loaded directly on to ships and sent overseas to be burned in locations such as China, Stockman said.

“They don’t keep it on site for long periods,” he said. “They export millions of tons of the stuff.”

Based on the amount of barrels being processed in Detroit, Stockman estimated 1,720 tons of coke were being produced daily.

“It’s a byproduct of the dirtiest oil on the planet,” he said. “That’s what they are trading in.”"

These real facts are from the latest follow-up story in the Windsor Star.
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MidNJ
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 8:11:11 PM

International concerns?
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 5:44:02 PM


"Several phone calls by The Star and a visit to the site Tuesday determined the mystery mound of black material is a petroleum coke product filtered out of crude oil by nearby Marathon Oil refinery."

Any wonder why Detroit is a dying city?
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 4:13:03 PM

the downward spiral started with coleman young and has continued
to this day, glad im an ex detroiter
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 2:48:56 PM

Clueless? That's funny!

Detroit, a city that is usually #1 in poverty rate, hasn’t elected
a Republican mayor since 1961. I do have to admit that the union mentality has not helped either.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:51:13 PM

I would take Buckeyee's description rather than say he doesn't know what he is talking about

From the article
"Coronado said the dismal financial state of the City of Detroit means it cannot properly monitor industrial sites or deal with environmental violations.

“That you have something like this with a potential of creating environmental issues happening right in plain sight is not the way it’s supposed to work,” he said. “With Detroit spiralling down financially, it seems to be a free-for-all. Unless the state (government) steps up on something like this, I don’t see who else would over there.”

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bar1035
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:49:48 PM

I would take Buckeyee's discription
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nsdp
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:38:00 PM

Las Brisas Powerplant in Corpus Christi was the original intended market for this coal as the cracking units along the Texas Gulf coast no longer produce Pet coke. Las Brisas has officially folded now so this no longer has a home. http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/ddoniger/las_brisas_power_plant_is_gone.html
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:23:27 PM

European cement plants must be big customers for pet coke. And apparently teenitup is clueless.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:20:23 PM

Good points Buckeyee, Detroit has been run into the ground under liberal rule.
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jimgraham
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:09:58 PM

What does this black pile of stuff have to do with cement and Europe??

Just askin..
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cgrey8
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:20:55 AM

It seems people care more about looks than anything else. So for some reason having these big piles out in the open is bad, but having those same piles somewhere out of sight is OK? That makes no sense for people that don't own land or have any kind of financial vestige to think they have some say in how land is used when what's happening isn't being found to break any laws.

The only thing I can see as annoying about this practice is an increase in dust for the people in the surrounding areas. That would get annoying having a coat of black dust all over everything. And in that case, I can see them being required to wet-down the coke & cover the mounds to hold the dust problem down. But the use of the land in this way doesn't seem like it is anybody's business other than those selling & buying the coke and the code inspectors confirming that the handling is being done in a lawful way.
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TeacherinOhio
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:13:14 AM

It might not be hazardous but coke is certainly dirty. There used to be a coke plant in my town. There was a covering of coke dust everywhere. The plant had a terrible smell too.
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lesabreAZ
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:09:05 AM

Their just piling on
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BigRedVTX
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:57:47 AM

The validity of whether this is hazardous or not (as declared by our governement?) is a matter of testing. If I recall, coke product from coal is considered a semi-hazardous material.
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:35:12 AM

First, Buckeyee doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

Second, this pile might be heading down the river to Monroe:

New Petcoke from Detroit Refinery Could Whittle PRB Use at Power Plant
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Buckeyee
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:31:36 AM

Detroit has so many problems, all those years with democratic mayors sure has taken it's toll. Look for an Obama bail out, the city limits have actually been shrinking.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:27:13 AM

From the article "The coke is not toxic, he said.

The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality said it was not aware of the massive black pile until this week, but confirmed Tuesday it is not necessarily a dangerous material.

“It can be sold as it does have a combustion value to someone,” said Andy Hartz, southeast Michigan district coordinator for MDEQ. “It’s storage is not something that requires a permit from us. It is listed as a non-hazardous substance by the federal government.”
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:26:48 AM

I'm not supporting this, But I have to ask. "If not here, Where? One major problem we have here in the US is NIMBY. When people complain they never ever gather together to move the ball forward and work towards finding a place to store materials. Did you ever notice that people protest to have some one removed from a post......but their signs never suggest a replacement. So what I'm trying to say is don't complain about something unless your group has an alternative solution that is agreed upon by the majority (The great good of all)....not the minority that are of special interest for their own gratification.

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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:15:53 AM

Canada sold heavy crude to the Marathon Detroit refinery and now they get to see the results.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:11:49 AM

Like Whoa!!!
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nozzle46
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:04:24 AM

Black pile for sale. Non toxic.
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BurntOrange
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:58:00 AM

Always avoid those massive black piles.
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gasmeup52
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:49:30 AM

I would hate to have that near me.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:47:53 AM

Waterfronts are Industrial Places. A bunch of Green Yuppies in a Foreign Country are upset. Who Cares?.....
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DoctorV
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:45:53 AM

Not everything that comes out of a refinery is liquid.
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gasmeup52
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:42:19 AM

I would hate to have that near me.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:32:17 AM

Eww, an ill wind is blowing from Canada...
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