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turbodog

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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 7:51:12 PM

(BRK.A, BRK.B), one of the biggest U.S. consumers of diesel fuel, plans this year to test using natural gas to power its locomotives. If successful, the experiment could weaken oil's dominance as a transportation fuel and provide a new outlet for the glut of cheap natural gas in North America. Read comments
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jrs4125
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 6:03:24 AM

Increase demand......... Increase price
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NedW
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 1:35:10 AM

Thank you for submitting this article, turbodog.
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doctorindyj
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 6:23:05 PM

A big rail company has the capital to invest in NG infrastructure. The rest of us don't. We need the infrastructure to take advantage of NG.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:02:03 PM

Bad link

But 'Read comments' makes me think that might be the whole article anyway
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Norm10
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 11:26:35 AM

Not likely!

[Edited by: Norm10 at 3/6/2013 11:26:48 AM EST]
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wrunner
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:51:02 AM

Sounds like a good plan.

To boldly go where no locomotive has gone before.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:37:23 AM

QUOTE :::CNG will just run out even faster. The 'glut' is short term---do some research.:::

You're joking , the amount of natural gas available is mind boggling. Guess you don't follow your own advice about research.

[Edited by: Hemond at 3/6/2013 10:41:36 AM EST]
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:33:50 AM

QUOTE :::Why? Trains are very efficient running on diesel.:::


Because diesel is $4.29/gal while the equivalent energy from LPG is 42cents.
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fuel2use
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:37:54 AM

Carry the tanks
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ss70
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:25:08 AM

Best solution ... that would reduce quite a bit of diesel consumption
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EnviroChemist
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 9:15:26 AM

Why? Trains are very efficient running on diesel.
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fencemanNY
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 8:04:37 AM

Great idea. NG trains can haul railcars filled with CNG to all parts of the US from wherever its being produced.
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 7:34:21 AM

CNG is just 'cheap'--its a much lower energy fuel than diesel so much less efficient. If the price goes up, much more expensive to ship everything. CNG will just run out even faster. The 'glut' is short term---do some research.

Long term viability of train lines would be to electrify the main lines, with diesel-electric locomotives that have an overhead trolly that raises whenever there is electrified lines available, and lowers to let it go back to running on diesel where there isn't, like spurs and lightly travelled routes. This is how much of the world does trains. Diesels are already running on electric traction--the diesel engine is only a generator set to run the electric motors.
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fora_7
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 7:32:47 AM

Very doubtful
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USMCturtlehead
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 7:16:28 AM

Shipping by train is already economical, would this help make it more economical.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 7:12:32 AM

OK
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leeac
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 6:49:24 AM

This could be a very big change is how goods and commodities are transported.
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Radar1992
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 6:45:34 AM

Warren Buffet stated on CNBC on Monday that they have purchases three or four test locomotives which run on Natural Gas.

At the reduced cost of CNG it only makes sense....
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djgunrunner
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 4:12:30 AM

This is something I would really like to see. Diesel engines can be converted to run on Natural Gas and that is a proven fact. Talk about a dollar saving. Today I saw a price for Liquid Natural Gas at $2.54 and Compressed Natural Gas for $1.88. Compare that to the lowest prices for diesel on Gas Buddy in the Salt Lake area at $3.79 with some places hitting $4.06 and more. That is at least a 51 percent savings to 54 percent saving.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 4:05:04 AM

Whatever works economically
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 3:02:41 AM

Go for it.
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Bussman
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 2:22:54 AM

Oh, the possibilities.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:59:56 AM

Got a link for the article you referenced? Your link goes nowhere.
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Pmgr
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:32:52 AM

ok
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Pmgr
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:29:22 AM

let's go
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musicreporter
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:26:57 AM

anything that helps
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iFueler
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:23:45 AM


     sounds like may be a good idea
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gcalleja
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:22:52 AM

Good!
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Cothrom
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:22:12 AM

If they can implement it that would be killer!
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Wally3023
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 1:07:42 AM

Wow
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1momsunshine
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:52:11 AM

Interesting.
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JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:39:31 AM

Warren Buffet's Burlington Northern is experimenting with this new train fuel.
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Vette1967
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:31:39 AM

Interesting.
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CVA19
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 12:24:42 AM

Will be interested in hearing how this plays out.
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Vetteblu
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 11:43:17 PM

Hard to believe this is new.
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qwerty17
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 11:22:44 PM

wow. great idea.
where are the cng cars?
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TXRanger09
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 10:56:24 PM

I think trains should go with a dual fuel system, like many cargo ships.
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drobbbb
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 10:52:43 PM

sounds like a winner
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Night Owl
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 10:48:49 PM

Good. Let's use more of America's and Canada's plentiful supplies of natural gas.
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nsdp
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 10:42:43 PM

Tom you don't convert existing engines you buy new locomotives with tender cars. UP has been running a test bed for three years now and its fuel costs are about 1/5th of diesel. Maintenance is maybe 1/2 of the cost for a diesel locomotive. Farmers substituted NG for propane and diesel in Oglala irrigation wells int he 1950's so it should be no big deal for the Railroads to catch up 60 years later.
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Trudat316
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 10:39:51 PM

Go for it!
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jjjleblanc
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 10:38:22 PM

Great news.
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 9:59:15 PM


It would sure beat the lousy bunker oil and diesel that is used now.
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pleinyeux
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 9:40:36 PM

I hope Natural Gas for Trains save plenty of money
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TomT2Lee
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 9:36:59 PM

again, the conversion cost is very high. Yes natural gas is cheap right now. It will not remain that way for a very long time; probably not long enough for most conversion costs to be paid for with the cheaper natural gas of today.
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BobBG
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 9:26:37 PM

Natural gas burns cleaner and is cheaper, so let's hope it works well.
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race2IT
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 8:10:27 PM

I hope so because I ride the trains, rails, buses, and any mass transits, now. If they do use natural gas mass transit will save plenty of money and so will the riders, I hope.
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carrek
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 8:08:20 PM

Burning natural gas on trains would be much better for the environment.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2013 7:55:06 PM

smart move i think
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