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osu1

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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 6:52:37 PM

Researchers have discovered a stunning new process that takes the energy from coal without burning it -- and removes virtually all of the pollution.

The clean coal technique was developed by scientists at The Ohio State University, with just $5 million in funding from the federal government, and took 15 years to achieve.

“We’ve been working on this for more than a decade,” Liang-Shih Fan, a chemical engineer and director of OSU’s Clean Coal Research Laboratory, told FoxNews.com, calling it a new energy conversion process. “We found a way to release the heat from coal without burning.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/20/coal-cleanest-energy-source-there-is/#ixzz2LUEBT47I
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:50:12 PM

To: PDQBlues Re: Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 10:47:56 AM (Printed below)

"Fox News: continuing to put lies and falsehoods out as "news"?"

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I am assuming that you verified this story before making such an audacious assertion. Otherwise some might construe that you were so convinced of a lie that you didn't want to be confused by any facts. Did you verify that this interview NEVER occurred? Or did you personally discuss this with Dr. Fan before determining that there were some errors, misstatements, or some poignant omissions? Or maybe your research in chemical and biomolecular engineering has led you to differing conclusions? Perhaps you can point out just ONE of the "lies and falsehoods" that Fox news has propagated here as "news". I'm certain that you have many, but just select one of the most glaring.

I will be waiting for your reply, but the silence right now is almost deafening.
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bigt61
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 11:36:19 AM

Dear Lord - several "greenies" will be on suicide-watch today.
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 10:47:56 AM


Fox News: continuing to put lies and falsehoods out as "news"?
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DanMtz
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 10:35:17 AM

Great, where is the first power plant going to be built?
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bsnort
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 10:16:23 AM

EPA will find a way to stop it.
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SycamoreISU
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 9:44:31 AM

If this can be done large-scale and is cost-effective, bring it on!
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mia3bxs
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 7:26:04 AM

Sounds promising.
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millerin
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 6:04:39 AM

it was, is & will see in the future
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 5:28:33 AM

ok
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 1:40:49 AM

P.P.S. There was nothing in the article to intimate that either the DOE or OSU were "exploring the possibility of establishing a start-up company and licensing the process to utilities". If words have any meaning, this was attributed to Dr. Fan. It IS possible that Fan might have been speaking as an agent for either the University or some one else and/or in some other capacity. Because the article didn't delve in that area, it was reasonable to assume that he was speaking about himself.

Further, it did not specify any details about the terms associated with the funding nor any details about remuneration that Dr. Fan might receive. So being "silent" in that regard leaves this open to possible speculation.

I'll remember next time to consult with his liaison in New Hampshire before posting further.
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dodsworth
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 1:30:03 AM

Really...?
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iFueler
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 1:01:38 AM

interesting
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:37:28 AM

And still there are the deniers of clean coal technology.
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BennoBlue
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:33:18 AM

If it's as good as it sounds, could be a promising way to upgrade coal-burning power plants.

This article from Ohio State University has a bit more technical detail:
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/looping203.htm
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:07:15 AM

Yes VanIsleRover as you now know that the noted coal ash in the hearth and your garden has likely given several of your relatives, and perhaps yourself, cancer and other illnesses from all the toxic heavy metal residues in it!

Good luck!

[Edited by: NHLiveFree at 2/21/2013 12:08:04 AM EST]
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 12:02:23 AM


Some day. This could have happened over 50 years ago if the coal barons had invested a small amount into R&D for this. They were much too busy maximize profits over all this time!

Of course we still get subjectd to the routine whines, rants, and diatribes here no matter what the news.

ps Dr. Fan is not the individual getting any fees or royalties off any benefits and licensing arangements for this technology if it is advanced to the next phase and commercial use. If DOE funded this, the rights are owned by the federal govt. Ohio State U may possibly share in a small percentage of any future royalties.
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WanderDan
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:59:31 PM

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ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:59:31 PM

Interesting. We need this to keep those coal fired electric plants running.
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andy1024
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:44:51 PM

Hope that will save the coal industry.
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:21:44 PM

From the article: "Meanwhile, Fan is exploring the possibility of establishing a start-up company and licensing the process to utilities, and has the potential to patent 35 different parts of the process."

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As an employee of Ohio State University and with funding from the FED to the tune of $5 million buckaroos, I marvel that Dr. Fan feels entitled to the patents stemming from this new process. If he were in the employ of a private company, patents would remain the property of the employer.

Be that as it may, however, you might think that the "greenies" who voice concern for the environment would say "Isn't this marvelous that a new process would make "dirty coal" (Their hypothetical words) compatible for industrial use and environmentally SAFE! (Their hypothetical words, too)". More likely we can expect them to criticize the NEWS SOURCE (Fox News); ostensibly a "conservative" news organ.

Another ploy from the "left" might be to ridicule those who find no favor with using taxpayer funds (e.g. $5 Million from the FED) and at the same time defend the Coal industry in their fight for survival. There's no correlation there, but it does cause them to get "puffed up" with righteous indignation and feel the need to purchase a bigger sombrero. At the same time, they have no problem with giving public funds to Solandra . . . uh, I mean LOANING taxpayer money to a "green" company in pursuit of one of THEIR agenda items. (I used "giving" over "loaning" because when you loan money to a party which never intends to pay it back, it is effectually a GIFT).

Such are the inconsistencies of the liberal mind.

[Edited by: SammyAdams at 2/20/2013 11:26:31 PM EST]
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Joeski1
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:54:10 PM

man... the lies fox propagates....

and they can find folks that believe it....

coal is right behind nuke for being clean...

all ya gotta do is find space for about 1 billion tons of nuke waste...

scattered in 140 different locations across the USA .. and securely ship it to who ever you can find to store it.. and instead of having a 140 problems... you'll just have one big problem

then you can start on coal slurry piles... and mountaintop removal damage....

clean coal is utter non sense...

but you can buy it if you'd like....

[Edited by: Joeski1 at 2/20/2013 10:55:03 PM EST]
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:51:51 PM

Yes, just because it is black doesn't mean it's dirty.
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VanIsleRover
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:45:33 PM

Takes me back to the old days.
Black gold...
ash in the hearth.. ash in the garden..
Steam engines. Vintage memories.
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Grizdad
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:18:29 PM

Shhh... We are to believe coal is a dirty word.
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csblesson
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:17:37 PM

I think nuclear is the cleanest
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dbellie
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:11:28 PM

back to coal fired, steam propelled
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:52:41 PM

yabassa, spend much time on the left?
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doeslayersr
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:50:04 PM

Coal is king.
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sillywagon
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:46:06 PM

Wow! Clean coal could be real? Only rigid political idealogues would be against such innovation... because they hate fossil fuels.

Gotta love R&D.

I would like to read more on this clean coal process. Does it reduce other pollution from coal, like soot?

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GarRafFra
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:40:13 PM

You wish.

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Pramodsharma
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:30:48 PM

Just 5 million in funding and 15 years? Efficiency simplified :)
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TomT2Lee
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:29:57 PM

Nuclear: bad. Solar: bad. Coal: bad. Wind: bad. Oil: bad. Gas: bad. Time to go back to horse and buggy.
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DixieQueene
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:28:31 PM

Coal plants here in the South with the Southern Company. All are located on major waterways to receive the coal by barge.* Hey Blu, hope you had a wonderful day. Talk to you soon girl *
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YumaFellow
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:25:07 PM

Fox News pushing something funded by Big Government? How cheeky of them!
I am dubious that this will be operational, but time will tell.
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davenles
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:21:11 PM

Be interesting to see if it scales up.
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BuckyTJones
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:05:49 PM

I guess this means they will have to find an other way to find fault with current energy sources.

[Edited by: BuckyTJones at 2/20/2013 8:06:53 PM EST]
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:04:48 PM

"Fan discovered a way to heat coal, using iron-oxide pellets for an oxygen source and containing the reaction in a small, heated chamber from which pollutants cannot escape. The only waste product is therefore water and coal ash -- no greenhouse gases. As an added benefit, the metal from the iron-oxide can be recycled."

But then what? The landscape littered with heated chambers containing the pollutants? That paragraph doesn't add up.
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:55:28 PM

Electric Power Plant here is coal generated. Government regulations have been strictly imposed, so the air here is some of the cleanest. Millions of dollars were spent several years ago to diminish any pollution issues arising.
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:51:03 PM

From the article:

"The government plans to continue to support the project, as well as the concept of "clean coal" in general."

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And they already received $5 million in Federal Government (our tax money) funding --- Interesting.

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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:37:39 PM

Yes, very interesting.
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lonewolf_947
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:26:06 PM

Interesting......... let's see it...........
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:19:57 PM

show me.
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:16:35 PM

Osama Obama has promised to bankrupt the coal industry.And he won't let facts prevent him from keeping that promise.Obama doesn't have to answer to *anyone* for the *rest* of his life.And while he has the power to issue Executive Orders his attitude will be "we don't need no steenking Constitution".So the coal industry might as well zip up its 300 year supply (the US is truly the Saudi Arabia of coal) and shut it down.
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:16:23 PM

That is hard to believe.
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:14:00 PM

This could only be a FauxNews article
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 7:11:14 PM

and we have over a 100 year supply
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Seeing is believing
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