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mastermariner

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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:06:53 AM

FORTUNE -- General Motors Co. is attempting to bury bad memories of failed diesel cars from the 1970s and 1980s. The Detroit automaker is attempting to turn to a fresh page with the new Chevrolet Cruze Turbo Diesel.
The latest version of Chevrolet's (GM) popular Cruze compact aims to attract car buyers now served mostly by Volkswagen's diesel models. Built in Lordstown, Ohio with an engine imported from GM's Opel subsidiary in Germany and adapted to use in the U.S., the new model's fuel efficiency is rated at 42 miles per gallon on the highway.
GM declined to say how many vehicles it plans to sell -- but the hope is that buyers will give the high-mileage model good reviews. Should that happen, GM might find justification to build diesel engines in the U.S. and offer diesel in other
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kkimes
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 1:01:58 AM

I remember a trip we took with a friend in his mid 70's diesel Olds to Wisconsin in the middle of winter. We stopped for the night and in the morning the car wouldn't start because the fuel has gotten so thick it wouldn't flow. Had to be towed to a gas station where they could put it inside for a couple of hours. Glad I never had one.
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Tacodan
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:24:09 PM

America needs to sell their GM stock to China !
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ss70
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:44:11 PM

It would be hard unless GM prices diesels@same price as gas models
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kchristie79
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 2:30:03 PM

I don't see this one happening.
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evowner
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 2:04:33 PM

Using old solutions for new problems. The diesel has an efficiency advantage, but still uses an oil derived fuel which is still finite.
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coughlin
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 1:31:13 PM

I don't like diesel.
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schvanda63
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 1:03:32 PM

I still have my 97 Suburban with the 6.5L diesel in it for towing my trailers and a 2011 VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen for all other times. GM can keep all their new cars, I'm never going back to them.
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naspa
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 1:02:35 PM

A new page for GM should be electric cars. There are lost of better car companies to built diesel trucks, don't you worry GM.
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kag2010
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:47:42 PM

I am ever again renting a pickup
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:43:22 PM

Well, long overdue.

GM is of course shooting itself in the foot by offering it only
1) as a sedan
2) as an automatic.

VW has long been shooting itself in the foot by not offering the Tiguan AWD with a diesel, or the Jetta/Passat with 4Motion with a diesel, or even the Audi Allroad with a diesel/6 speed manual like they do in Europe. THAT is a performance touring car!

I would never ever bother buying a 'sedan' ever again--it would have to be a wagon or a hatchback with a big door on the back and folding seats of course, for those occasional big/awkward loads once or twice a year. There is NO WAY I am ever again renting a pickup or a cargo van just to get a BBQ or some trees or some other thing home from the store. (no, home delivery is just not an option) Have you ever tried to get a big square box through the rear doors or the 'trunk opening' of a sedan? Nowadays, it is highly unlikely you will be successful.

SUVs are as graceful as hippos on roller skates, and I'd never own a mini-van. Judging by the three diesel station wagons with trailer hitches and hoof racks (and the lockable rooftop carrier I can add or take off) that have graced my driveway at various, ONE diesel wagon/hatchback can replace 2 or three other vehicles.

BTW, automatics suck with a diesel--but put a 5 or 6 speed manual and they can actually be fun to drive, and you WILL get 20% better mileage than with an automatic. Had diesels with automatics--never again.

So, just not tempted by the diesel Cruze. Close, but definitely no cigar. Make it a useful wagon with a manual (like in Europe) and I'll drop in and test drive.

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BigTruc
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:08:09 PM

I hope they will put out good vehicles with diesel.
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gbs1
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:05:45 PM

Good to see GM back in the diesel car market.
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fuel2use
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:56:27 AM

Why not.
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skb69sa
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:52:05 AM

Ok
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truvoice1
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:35:27 AM

However, will Obama permit his own Government Motors to sell a vehicle that competes with his beloved Chevy Volt?
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MKAnudo
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:24:56 AM

Having a diesel option is a good thing.
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hrtdi
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:10:57 AM

then diesel fuel price is gonna go sky rocket....
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Norm10
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:48:58 AM

I think most people are already sold on diesel vehicles - North American auto makers just have to make them available - and at a reasonable price.
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WestDriver
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:29:42 AM

VW has had great diesels for years.
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TC5504
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:19:29 AM

Good luck.
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sagnat
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:18:13 AM

GM blew the opportunity years ago. Let someone else be the harbinger for diesel power and let GM ride those coat tails.
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EnviroChemist
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:52:23 AM

Maybe, they are worth looking at again. I will however let them work the technical glitches out first.
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fatfed
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:44:56 AM

ok
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wz
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:44:05 AM

Diesels have powered small European cars for decades. They have had plenty of time to resolve both efficiency and reliability problems.
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skempton
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:31:39 AM

See if the engines last better than those of 30 years ago.
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Skunk63
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:30:47 AM

I will always be interested in diesel. But I will never again be interested in GM.
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wmderrick
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:24:15 AM

How much more do I have to pay?
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OTISFL
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:14:40 AM

First, bring down the price of diesel.
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BurntOrange
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:00:08 AM

9 day old article.
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85XJ
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:59:34 AM

The problem as I see it is that a gasoline Cruze Eco gets 42 mpg as well. A diesel should be able to get 10 to 25% better mileage than a gasoline engine, in this case 46 to 52 mpg.
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Eagle3236
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:53:19 AM

Don't need to sell me on diesel cars! I love my diesel FORD van! We do need to get the diesel prices down!
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lcleveland
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:50:55 AM

regular is catching up with the price of diesel
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SUNOIL
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:49:56 AM

Good luck with that one
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alex395
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:28:07 AM

Not interested in anything Government Motors has to say. Sell Americans, sounds like Obama trying to tell people he didn't sign into law the sequestration cuts then trying to sell them on the idea it is the Republican's fault. Just like Obama going into campaign mode to sell the common people on all his tunnel vision ideas.

[Edited by: alex395 at 2/20/2013 8:33:03 AM EST]
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streetdesign
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:24:11 AM

Only chance of success is drasticly lower diesel prices otherwise forget it. People are not going to pay more for a diesel vehicle just to get a few more miles at higher pump prices.
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Bou
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:20:20 AM

Diesels get better gas mileage usually, but diesel prices are too high.
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jrschl
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:19:35 AM

I feel this will be a tough battle.
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amoshins
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:18:38 AM

I don't see how much better the Cruze diesel would be than the regular model using regular gas. Not any better fuel economy - so why buy one?
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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:18:30 AM

Europe knows how to make a diesel
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AVKZ
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:15:54 AM

Diesel prices need to come down, too, for them to be attractive.
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Evilmaddog
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:13:00 AM

no where close to European diesels...thanks EPA
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