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mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,247 Points:493,010 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:06:53 AM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse FORTUNE -- General Motors Co. is attempting to bury bad memories of failed diesel cars from the 1970s and 1980s. The Detroit automaker is attempting to turn to a fresh page with the new Chevrolet Cruze Turbo Diesel. The latest version of Chevrolet's (GM) popular Cruze compact aims to attract car buyers now served mostly by Volkswagen's diesel models. Built in Lordstown, Ohio with an engine imported from GM's Opel subsidiary in Germany and adapted to use in the U.S., the new model's fuel efficiency is rated at 42 miles per gallon on the highway. GM declined to say how many vehicles it plans to sell -- but the hope is that buyers will give the high-mileage model good reviews. Should that happen, GM might find justification to build diesel engines in the U.S. and offer diesel in other Visit CNNMONEY for full article

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FORTUNE -- General Motors Co. is attempting to bury bad memories of failed diesel cars from the 1970s and 1980s. The Detroit automaker is attempting to turn to a fresh page with the new Chevrolet Cruze Turbo Diesel.
The latest version of Chevrolet's (GM) popular Cruze compact aims to attract car buyers now served mostly by Volkswagen's diesel models. Built in Lordstown, Ohio with an engine imported from GM's Opel subsidiary in Germany and adapted to use in the U.S., the new model's fuel efficiency is rated at 42 miles per gallon on the highway.
GM declined to say how many vehicles it plans to sell -- but the hope is that buyers will give the high-mileage model good reviews. Should that happen, GM might find justification to build diesel engines in the U.S. and offer diesel in other
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kkimes Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,596 Points:1,504,735 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 1:01:58 AM Ignore kkimes Report Abuse I remember a trip we took with a friend in his mid 70's diesel Olds to Wisconsin in the middle of winter. We stopped for the night and in the morning the car wouldn't start because the fuel has gotten so thick it wouldn't flow. Had to be towed to a gas station where they could put it inside for a couple of hours. Glad I never had one.
Tacodan Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:2,306 Points:651,490 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:24:09 PM Ignore Tacodan Report Abuse America needs to sell their GM stock to China !
ss70 Champion Author Detroit Posts:9,645 Points:1,868,150 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:44:11 PM Ignore ss70 Report Abuse It would be hard unless GM prices diesels@same price as gas models
kchristie79 Sophomore Author Dallas Posts:122 Points:68,560 Joined:Feb 2013	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 2:30:03 PM Ignore kchristie79 Report Abuse I don't see this one happening.
evowner Champion Author Salem Posts:2,172 Points:357,310 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 2:04:33 PM Ignore evowner Report Abuse Using old solutions for new problems. The diesel has an efficiency advantage, but still uses an oil derived fuel which is still finite.
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,175 Points:1,115,915 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 1:31:13 PM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse I don't like diesel.
schvanda63 Champion Author Lansing Posts:1,309 Points:262,875 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 1:03:32 PM Ignore schvanda63 Report Abuse I still have my 97 Suburban with the 6.5L diesel in it for towing my trailers and a 2011 VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen for all other times. GM can keep all their new cars, I'm never going back to them.
naspa Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,261 Points:350,200 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 1:02:35 PM Ignore naspa Report Abuse A new page for GM should be electric cars. There are lost of better car companies to built diesel trucks, don't you worry GM.
kag2010 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:5,249 Points:1,018,785 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:47:42 PM Ignore kag2010 Report Abuse I am ever again renting a pickup
orphancarguyPE Champion Author PEI Posts:3,838 Points:733,040 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:43:22 PM Ignore orphancarguyPE Report Abuse Well, long overdue. GM is of course shooting itself in the foot by offering it only 1) as a sedan 2) as an automatic. VW has long been shooting itself in the foot by not offering the Tiguan AWD with a diesel, or the Jetta/Passat with 4Motion with a diesel, or even the Audi Allroad with a diesel/6 speed manual like they do in Europe. THAT is a performance touring car! I would never ever bother buying a 'sedan' ever again--it would have to be a wagon or a hatchback with a big door on the back and folding seats of course, for those occasional big/awkward loads once or twice a year. There is NO WAY I am ever again renting a pickup or a cargo van just to get a BBQ or some trees or some other thing home from the store. (no, home delivery is just not an option) Have you ever tried to get a big square box through the rear doors or the 'trunk opening' of a sedan? Nowadays, it is highly unlikely you will be successful. SUVs are as graceful as hippos on roller skates, and I'd never own a mini-van. Judging by the three diesel station wagons with trailer hitches and hoof racks (and the lockable rooftop carrier I can add or take off) that have graced my driveway at various, ONE diesel wagon/hatchback can replace 2 or three other vehicles. BTW, automatics suck with a diesel--but put a 5 or 6 speed manual and they can actually be fun to drive, and you WILL get 20% better mileage than with an automatic. Had diesels with automatics--never again. So, just not tempted by the diesel Cruze. Close, but definitely no cigar. Make it a useful wagon with a manual (like in Europe) and I'll drop in and test drive.
BigTruc All-Star Author Memphis Posts:952 Points:779,465 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:08:09 PM Ignore BigTruc Report Abuse I hope they will put out good vehicles with diesel.
gbs1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,991 Points:740,650 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:05:45 PM Ignore gbs1 Report Abuse Good to see GM back in the diesel car market.
fuel2use Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,478 Points:730,625 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:56:27 AM Ignore fuel2use Report Abuse Why not.
skb69sa Champion Author San Antonio Posts:3,472 Points:709,200 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:52:05 AM Ignore skb69sa Report Abuse Ok
truvoice1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,278 Points:472,615 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:35:27 AM Ignore truvoice1 Report Abuse However, will Obama permit his own Government Motors to sell a vehicle that competes with his beloved Chevy Volt?
MKAnudo Sophomore Author Maryland Posts:213 Points:168,600 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:24:56 AM Ignore MKAnudo Report Abuse Having a diesel option is a good thing.
hrtdi All-Star Author Vermont Posts:757 Points:149,640 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 11:10:57 AM Ignore hrtdi Report Abuse then diesel fuel price is gonna go sky rocket....
Norm10 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,337 Points:162,700 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:48:58 AM Ignore Norm10 Report Abuse I think most people are already sold on diesel vehicles - North American auto makers just have to make them available - and at a reasonable price.
WestDriver All-Star Author Grand Rapids Posts:679 Points:546,520 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:29:42 AM Ignore WestDriver Report Abuse VW has had great diesels for years.
TC5504 All-Star Author West Virginia Posts:930 Points:192,060 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:19:29 AM Ignore TC5504 Report Abuse Good luck.
sagnat Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,144 Points:306,310 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:18:13 AM Ignore sagnat Report Abuse GM blew the opportunity years ago. Let someone else be the harbinger for diesel power and let GM ride those coat tails.
EnviroChemist All-Star Author Oklahoma Posts:714 Points:207,910 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:52:23 AM Ignore EnviroChemist Report Abuse Maybe, they are worth looking at again. I will however let them work the technical glitches out first.
fatfed Champion Author San Antonio Posts:2,855 Points:474,465 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:44:56 AM Ignore fatfed Report Abuse ok
wz Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,474 Points:1,275,140 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:44:05 AM Ignore wz Report Abuse Diesels have powered small European cars for decades. They have had plenty of time to resolve both efficiency and reliability problems.
skempton Champion Author Vermont Posts:1,134 Points:837,210 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:31:39 AM Ignore skempton Report Abuse See if the engines last better than those of 30 years ago.
Skunk63 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,551 Points:556,525 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:30:47 AM Ignore Skunk63 Report Abuse I will always be interested in diesel. But I will never again be interested in GM.
wmderrick All-Star Author Twin Cities Posts:524 Points:469,125 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:24:15 AM Ignore wmderrick Report Abuse How much more do I have to pay?
OTISFL Champion Author Pensacola Posts:4,595 Points:862,890 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:14:40 AM Ignore OTISFL Report Abuse First, bring down the price of diesel.
BurntOrange Champion Author Austin Posts:8,716 Points:1,581,065 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:00:08 AM Ignore BurntOrange Report Abuse 9 day old article.
85XJ Champion Author Toledo Posts:5,589 Points:1,278,815 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:59:34 AM Ignore 85XJ Report Abuse The problem as I see it is that a gasoline Cruze Eco gets 42 mpg as well. A diesel should be able to get 10 to 25% better mileage than a gasoline engine, in this case 46 to 52 mpg.
Eagle3236 Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,138 Points:207,225 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:53:19 AM Ignore Eagle3236 Report Abuse Don't need to sell me on diesel cars! I love my diesel FORD van! We do need to get the diesel prices down!
lcleveland Champion Author San Antonio Posts:2,651 Points:649,100 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:50:55 AM Ignore lcleveland Report Abuse regular is catching up with the price of diesel
SUNOIL Champion Author Toledo Posts:5,230 Points:1,923,080 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:49:56 AM Ignore SUNOIL Report Abuse Good luck with that one
alex395 Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,043 Points:276,270 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:28:07 AM Ignore alex395 Report Abuse Not interested in anything Government Motors has to say. Sell Americans, sounds like Obama trying to tell people he didn't sign into law the sequestration cuts then trying to sell them on the idea it is the Republican's fault. Just like Obama going into campaign mode to sell the common people on all his tunnel vision ideas. [Edited by: alex395 at 2/20/2013 8:33:03 AM EST]
streetdesign All-Star Author Illinois Posts:531 Points:573,795 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:24:11 AM Ignore streetdesign Report Abuse Only chance of success is drasticly lower diesel prices otherwise forget it. People are not going to pay more for a diesel vehicle just to get a few more miles at higher pump prices.
Bou Champion Author Maine Posts:12,196 Points:2,665,415 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:20:20 AM Ignore Bou Report Abuse Diesels get better gas mileage usually, but diesel prices are too high.
jrschl Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,955 Points:679,075 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:19:35 AM Ignore jrschl Report Abuse I feel this will be a tough battle.
amoshins Champion Author Trenton Posts:2,185 Points:639,595 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:18:38 AM Ignore amoshins Report Abuse I don't see how much better the Cruze diesel would be than the regular model using regular gas. Not any better fuel economy - so why buy one?
mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,247 Points:493,010 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:18:30 AM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse Europe knows how to make a diesel
AVKZ All-Star Author Kalamazoo Posts:836 Points:291,975 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:15:54 AM Ignore AVKZ Report Abuse Diesel prices need to come down, too, for them to be attractive.
Evilmaddog Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,312 Points:955,600 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:13:00 AM Ignore Evilmaddog Report Abuse no where close to European diesels...thanks EPA