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bar1035
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:18:47 AM

Since nearly the dawn of the automotive age, many “alternative” fuels have been tried, but virtually all have come up lacking when compared with petroleum-based diesel and gasoline. Apart from availability, portability and stability, one of petroleum’s key advantages is what engineers refer to as power density, which, in short, is a measure of how much work a given volume of a fuel will produce.

Two alternatives that are increasingly giving diesel and gasoline a proverbial run for their money are natural gas and propane

Although propane is best suited as an alternative for lighter-duty, gasoline-powered trucks, natural gas is a practical alternative for vehicles ranging from passenger cars up to Class 8 trucks

The availability of publicly accessible fueling locations has improved dramat
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ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:35:47 PM

None of is going to be cheap.
slowtrain
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:47:24 PM

They may be cheap now, but demand will drive the price up.
Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:08:53 PM

On Feb 20, 2013 3:56:16 PM, crusty1 wrote:

>Remembering "power density", nuclear is still best.

Speaking about nuclear power density, around 115 pounds of U-235 is enough to make Hiroshima look just like it did the last time the Enola Gay paid a visit. That's a sphere a little bit bigger than a baseball.
TheThorn
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:07:47 PM

wow, i never knew oil was unnatural
briinnc
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:05:20 PM

Anything if it brings the price down.
Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 5:00:35 PM

On Feb 20, 2013 3:39:08 PM, BIGREDNM wrote:

>Get rid of greed and the prices would fall like
>a rock in a lake.

Get rid of greed and no gasoline would be available at any price.

It is in people's DNA to do very few things without compensation. Among them are donating blood (though donating four units can get you a free USB thumb drive emblazoned with the blood bank's slogan in Houston, many people direct their gift points to help the blood bank get a new donor coach or to fund college scholarships for high school students who sponsor blood drives) and propagating the gospel (whatever they consider the gospel to be, the classic gospel of the church or the New Age gospel of tree hugging for two of many possible examples).

Making gasoline, on the other hand, is nothing that anyone would do for free as it's dirty and dangerous work.
crusty1
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:56:16 PM

Remembering "power density", nuclear is still best.
mrmike75
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:49:51 PM

If more trucking companies converted to propane or CNG we all would see grocery and consumer item prices drop.
Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:42:51 PM

On Feb 20, 2013 3:29:30 PM, MarkJM wrote:

>kinda makes you want to convert to CNG or propane

If you think the seasonal price gyrations are bad for gasoline, you've seen nothing compared to propane.

At least propane can be bought during the summer when it's cheap and stored until the winter when it's expensive. There is no need for summer and winter blends of propane the way there is for gasoline.
TNT2EC
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:41:48 PM

Controlled point to point and local service is great for this solution.
jep39
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:39:58 PM

Natural gas and propane have been in use for years. It is about time that we finally are develop an adequate countrywide infrastructure..
BIGREDNM
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:39:08 PM

Get rid of greed and the prices would fall like a rock in a lake.
Asbury09
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:39:07 PM

makes sense, which ethanol does not
blazerbob91
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:37:15 PM

Makes good sense
Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:34:55 PM

On Feb 20, 2013 3:05:36 PM, gas_too_high wrote:

>Natural gas is the best alternative available. The technology and the
>distribution network are in place,now. All we need are the end
>fueling stations.

Natural gas can be turned to liquid motor fuel now. They do it in Malaysia and South Africa already. You don't need a whole new fueling infrastructure and vehicle conversions, all you need is gas-to-liquids conversion plants that can be conveniently dropped in the existing pipeline network.
MarkJM
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:29:30 PM

kinda makes you want to convert to CNG or propane
no8c
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:26:49 PM

Thanks for posting this article!
highdesertman
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:26:13 PM

Sounds great except for the fact that natural gas prices will eventually rise on the added demand and we will end up paying as much as we are today for transportation energy and considerably more for uses such as electrical generation and home heating. Not a good thing.
mycar2
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:24:58 PM

good, they have the capability to have fueling stations
carefrey
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:21:45 PM

Okay
skysteve1
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:21:44 PM

Good, we need a break
tpguess
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:20:52 PM

Especially when tax code is used to engineer the results
sjhman
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:18:02 PM

Good, let's make it happen
flatrock14
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:16:20 PM

will it be cost effective
beck12j
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:15:37 PM

ok
DMG86
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:15:30 PM

Interesting.
srchr
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:15:01 PM

make all federally purchased cars run on gas and natural gas; see www.drbill.us
joezIN
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:11:46 PM

ok
BeaconLite
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:11:09 PM

Interesting
nru
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:09:02 PM

yes
tonoplast
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:05:58 PM

Better hop on it. Sand is trickling through the global warming hourglass. Eventually the sand/time will run out.
gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:05:36 PM

Natural gas is the best alternative available. The technology and the distribution network are in place,now. All we need are the end fueling stations.

GTH
BossPal
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:04:49 PM

CNG is the way to go
BigDartMike
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:02:48 PM

With the so-called boom in the shale and nat. gas, it only makes sense to go with this to power our vehicles, oh wait that means CNG prices will go up, go figure...
singlemom27
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 4:00:39 PM

I would go with natural gas only because the infrastructure is already established.
NightRider
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:59:38 PM

Will we have the same situation with CNG and propane speculators that we now have with oil/gas? It seems like a pipe dream to believe otherwise. It's just another commodity market to be controlled by big corporations and speculators. Oh, BTW..... OK.

[Edited by: NightRider at 2/20/2013 4:00:38 PM EST]
defense
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:58:13 PM

ok
FogCitySpotter
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:56:53 PM

Ok
hibsaw
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:56:04 PM

I hope my next vehicle is CNG powered.
toxigas
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:52:49 PM

Once upon a time, nuclear was envisioned to power everything...
peapaw
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:50:56 PM

This too is obvious.
s6sputnik
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:50:55 PM

It is cheaper!
oldiesman
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:44:36 PM

There's got to be another way?
honkerman
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:43:23 PM

Grinch09 said "we need a new government"

The voters spoke. We need citizens with more national interest instead of self interest at the expense of everyone else. Govt. can only give to someone that which it takes away from someone else. That is NOT a proper function, nor the intended function of government.
g747
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:43:21 PM

About time to drive our operating costs down!!!!.Increase our GPD output,put our American workers back to our factories,having a disposeable income to save & invest.Getting rid of major socialeconomic problems,just putting us back into the black.
JWHITE1937
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:41:57 PM

Post office, UPS, etc. can save millions. Other smart truckers can also!
tarheelcoastie
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:38:57 PM

Definitely makes sense for large trucks running local routes.
wulf2000
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:36:02 PM

At least this is a realistic replacement for diesel and gasoline.
bluetruck54
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:31:10 PM

a breakthrough technology probably exists today, but getting that in
to more than a handful of vehicles takes substantial funding and heaven
knows, the government will not endorse this......better to throw
money at destined-to-fail solar attempts.
ObieDog
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:28:32 PM

Maybe.
TSgtCarverRetired
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 3:27:14 PM

I would consider buying a car that would run on CNG, or LPG if there were enough publicly available refueling stations.
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