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mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,249 Points:495,675 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 5:17:56 PM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse American-Statesman Staff Last Christmas, about midafternoon, high winds that brought yet another cold front through Texas contributed to a new wind power record, at one point providing about 26 percent of the electricity on the state’s grid. The power registered from the turbines just after 3 p.m. on Dec. 25 was 8,638 megawatts, or enough to power just over 4.3 million homes. But midafternoon on a cold December day isn’t a time of high electricity use. Most Texas homes are warmed by natural gas, and the sun would have been high enough in the sky that televisions and other appliances — not lights — might have consumed the most electricity. In August, by contrast, when electricity use is high due to amped-up air conditioning and when breezes for driving wind turbines are light, wind Visit Statesman for full article

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Last Christmas, about midafternoon, high winds that brought yet another cold front through Texas contributed to a new wind power record, at one point providing about 26 percent of the electricity on the state’s grid.
The power registered from the turbines just after 3 p.m. on Dec. 25 was 8,638 megawatts, or enough to power just over 4.3 million homes.
But midafternoon on a cold December day isn’t a time of high electricity use. Most Texas homes are warmed by natural gas, and the sun would have been high enough in the sky that televisions and other appliances — not lights — might have consumed the most electricity. In August, by contrast, when electricity use is high due to amped-up air conditioning and when breezes for driving wind turbines are light, wind
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LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,615 Points:1,207,430 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 12:19:31 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Great NEWS! Ned...what is your issue with the USS Abe Lincoln? Aren't you aware that this is Nuclear Powered Air Craft Carrier? I guess we could pull it into your backyard to refuel through your electrical lines! OK? [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 2/11/2013 12:22:34 AM EST]
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,625 Points:1,144,195 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 11:04:19 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse But we can't refuel the USS Abe Lincoln. We're doomed if something isn't done.
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:7,272 Points:1,743,655 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 10:12:15 PM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse If they cant function without tax credits they should be allowed to die.
Eugenian Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,872 Points:364,080 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 3:10:19 PM Ignore Eugenian Report Abuse "The gov't is such hypocrites...tax breaks for Big Wind...and nothing for Big Oil." - Radar1992 Big Oil gets plenty of tax breaks. Even if that were not the case, it would be good public policy, not hypocrisy. The filthy oil industry makes plenty of money while its pollution costs the rest of us a lot.
BUSMAN1105 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,167 Points:1,172,870 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:52:07 PM Ignore BUSMAN1105 Report Abuse GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,671 Points:251,135 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 11:05:00 AM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse Oink, oink.
merlinCO Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,650 Points:343,345 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 10:46:10 AM Ignore merlinCO Report Abuse Push wind before the oil companies and Saudis control us.
Jeff4U Champion Author Atlanta Posts:8,767 Points:1,854,320 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 10:44:29 AM Ignore Jeff4U Report Abuse Obama has to pay back his cronies. Would you seriously expect otherwise?
Radar1992 Champion Author Florida Posts:1,335 Points:312,115 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 8:49:49 AM Ignore Radar1992 Report Abuse The gov't is such hypocrites...tax breaks for Big Wind...and nothing for Big Oil...but everyone claims there are.... If it is not economically feasible then it needs to get more efficient otherwise why would I pay for for energy if I do not need to....
Straitliner Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,510 Points:240,225 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 8:45:14 AM Ignore Straitliner Report Abuse Its very promising.
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,088 Points:1,013,355 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 8:19:00 AM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse Not promising.
txequitygas All-Star Author Houston Posts:804 Points:157,965 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 8:00:09 AM Ignore txequitygas Report Abuse the Obuma energy plan
bisonjim Champion Author Florida Posts:1,065 Points:208,180 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 7:37:59 AM Ignore bisonjim Report Abuse Sounds like a lot of hot air.
leeac Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,606 Points:435,855 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 7:12:35 AM Ignore leeac Report Abuse Green energy is a good investment.
Nancy&Len Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,063 Points:1,947,765 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 7:11:28 AM Ignore Nancy&Len Report Abuse More taxpayer money down the drain.
SUPERSTEVIEO Champion Author Quebec Posts:3,523 Points:787,115 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 7:00:10 AM Ignore SUPERSTEVIEO Report Abuse why do they need subsidies? are they making profits without the financial assistance or not? that is the question
beachd8 All-Star Author Orange County Posts:765 Points:117,485 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 5:44:41 AM Ignore beachd8 Report Abuse Here comes Santa Clause . . .
mitt4prez Champion Author Tacoma Posts:1,757 Points:1,248,150 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 4:22:01 AM Ignore mitt4prez Report Abuse More gft for Green cronies.
Alaydown Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:5,126 Points:824,595 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 3:13:35 AM Ignore Alaydown Report Abuse More wasted tax dollars.
FluffyDogAttack Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,087 Points:97,145 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 2:42:23 AM Ignore FluffyDogAttack Report Abuse Windmills are proving to be the most efficient way to totally screw up any beautiful,natural vista. Not very efficient for energy, but pretty good at killing birds. Oh well, can't have it all.
cheapchickKY Champion Author Lexington Posts:4,027 Points:798,240 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:24:08 AM Ignore cheapchickKY Report Abuse Good.
TXRanger09 Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,515 Points:893,105 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:17:23 AM Ignore TXRanger09 Report Abuse OK. So we've got this wind thing figured out. Now, storage of this power until we need it is the next step. Any ideas GasBuddy visionaries?
Joeski1 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:10,012 Points:1,743,785 Joined:Dec 2004	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:16:39 AM Ignore Joeski1 Report Abuse It don't matter when that power goes to the grid, it get used regardless and other means of generation are cut back .
KE4YBZ All-Star Author Knoxville Posts:578 Points:560,685 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:08:15 AM Ignore KE4YBZ Report Abuse new life breathed into wind industry Good One... "Breathed"... Wind! Very funny.
mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,249 Points:495,675 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:05:28 AM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse Has to be more cost effective
Jayburt All-Star Author Toledo Posts:529 Points:131,890 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:58:15 AM Ignore Jayburt Report Abuse Wind is another technology we must develop to free us from limited resource products we use now. Besides being clean it is a selfsustaining fuel source.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:6,777 Points:1,867,010 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:49:30 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse Sammy Adams Understands the situation perfectly !!!!!
MAC48 Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,550 Points:768,650 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:47:09 AM Ignore MAC48 Report Abuse It is extremely unfortunate for US taxpayers that the Wind Energy Production Credit was extended in January by the US Congress.
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,061 Points:794,535 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:39:10 AM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse To: drz614 Re: Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:00:00 PM R (Printed below) "why are we taxpayers still subsidizing wind?" ============================================================ The reason is (as predicted by Karl Marx) "From each according to his ability to each according to his need" Socialism, while never a movement of the downtrodden masses, does use this hapless segment of society to foment revolution in order to effect change. "Soak the rich" is what they are saying, but by the RICH, the Insiders mean anyone who has amassed enough capital to pose a threat to the empire which they are constructing. The purpose is to build a New World Order, a TWO CLASS society, where THEY are the ruling elite and everyone else are their subordinates. Since the American system is the biggest threat to the Establishment's goals, our country must be brought in line with the rest of the world. They will use leaders from both major parties, whether Republican (George Bush, Juan McCain, Mitt Romney, etc.) or Democrat (Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, etc.) in order to effect their goals. They will use any means, such as war, phony environmental issues, SADDLE us WITH DEBT, etc. in order to destroy the middle class. The only major legislation which MUST be passed is that of collecting the guns from private citizens. Because America is the best armed country since time immemorial, they need to first be disarmed. That plan is already underway. It's noteworthy to point out that agencies of the Federal government (collectively) have purchased 1.2 BILLION rounds of ammunition THIS YEAR. This includes Homeland Security, BATF, Social Security Administration, etc. SSA? Yes, they purchased 180 million rounds of ammunition just recently. WHY? Isn't this apparent? They want to have the armaments to "restore order" while at the same time DISARM US. So even something as seemingly small as "subsidizing wind energy" fits in with the Insiders plan to destroy the middle class and to socialize America.
CivicMA Champion Author Boston Posts:1,907 Points:537,145 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:24:09 AM Ignore CivicMA Report Abuse Great more hot air at taxpayer expense!
ExplorerWA Champion Author Washington Posts:4,093 Points:799,200 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:14:20 AM Ignore ExplorerWA Report Abuse Their scamming again.
andy1024 Champion Author Allentown Posts:1,712 Points:450,200 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:40:09 PM Ignore andy1024 Report Abuse Hope they will make it this time.
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:5,362 Points:1,599,705 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:20:01 PM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse Excellent point drz614. As long as the scam continues, alternative energies will never be driven by the free market to evolve into the low cost energy producers they need to be.
drz614 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:2,314 Points:600,545 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:00:00 PM Ignore drz614 Report Abuse why are we taxpayers still subsidizing wind?
fedupMN Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,964 Points:575,405 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 10:46:27 PM Ignore fedupMN Report Abuse Wind is good
esq262 Champion Author Asheville Posts:2,912 Points:650,440 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 10:21:47 PM Ignore esq262 Report Abuse Shameful that the life blood f the wind industry is tax credits.
davenles Champion Author Texas Posts:3,211 Points:720,835 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 10:18:46 PM Ignore davenles Report Abuse Well, that blows, sort of.
LostInNY Champion Author New York Posts:1,726 Points:649,770 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 10:09:19 PM Ignore LostInNY Report Abuse eh. just another boondoggle from Oblama
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:7,565 Points:1,789,525 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 9:41:29 PM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse Natural gas is the way to go: 'The federal Energy Information Administration in 2012 predicted that electricity from a new wind farm in 2017 would cost $96 per megawatt-hour; from a new coal plant, $98 a megawatt-hour; natural gas, $66; and nuclear, $111.'
Lugi1967 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,798 Points:1,004,195 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 9:09:14 PM Ignore Lugi1967 Report Abuse In time they may be able to stand on its own
evowner Champion Author Salem Posts:2,192 Points:361,210 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 8:30:37 PM Ignore evowner Report Abuse Thanks are do to a few real statesmen. They, maybe unknowingly, exhibited responsibility about the future of alternative energy, and were not corrupted by big oil interest groups.
Yooperheart Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,430 Points:528,975 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 8:30:30 PM Ignore Yooperheart Report Abuse Like all forms of alternative sources of energy, there is a trade off. Just how much will the American populous put up with. Wind only works when you have wind. There must be a way to collect that energy. I have read that the new wind generators are able to pick up from very little air flow, so there is promise. But our Uncle should not get involved.
MKAnudo Sophomore Author Maryland Posts:213 Points:170,850 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 8:18:59 PM Ignore MKAnudo Report Abuse Interesting...
molebaby96 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:2,126 Points:506,890 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 7:03:23 PM Ignore molebaby96 Report Abuse Stop government from wasting our money.
HorizonChaser Champion Author Montgomery Posts:1,989 Points:457,235 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:59:55 PM Ignore HorizonChaser Report Abuse Bad pun in the headline. I wonder if this is considered breaking wind news. [Edited by: HorizonChaser at 2/9/2013 7:00:56 PM EST]
BigRedVTX All-Star Author Georgia Posts:882 Points:505,005 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:53:01 PM Ignore BigRedVTX Report Abuse Ah yes, high winds which wear the turbines out quicker. However, the government will pay for the replacements.
Rockyguitar Champion Author Tampa Posts:2,572 Points:1,204,520 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:49:19 PM Ignore Rockyguitar Report Abuse The DC windbags strike again.
jl1rp Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:1,827 Points:359,380 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:38:31 PM Ignore jl1rp Report Abuse One more green tech that can not make it with out help.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,304 Points:2,373,320 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:26:40 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse it just cant swim on its own, its a sinker
Zuegma All-Star Author Nova Scotia Posts:998 Points:259,855 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:14:23 PM Ignore Zuegma Report Abuse It seems there is a lot of misinformation on what windpower actually delivers. There's quite a difference between capacity and delivery of power. In the cited 8,638 megawatts of capacity (per hour or per day?)and the claim that its enough for 4.3 million homes, the later is inflated by at least a factor of 10. The reality is that the wind power capacity is not available 24 hours per day and not necessarily at peak loads nor every day. There is no way to store it yet when it works. Their comparison of cost versus other forms of energy is idyllic: it bears no resemblance with reality. Nothwithstanding that it's heavily subsidised, it does not compute real useage which are 24/7 and 52wks/yr and doesn't even consider their down time & maintenance/replacement costs.