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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 5:17:56 PM

American-Statesman Staff
Last Christmas, about midafternoon, high winds that brought yet another cold front through Texas contributed to a new wind power record, at one point providing about 26 percent of the electricity on the state’s grid.
The power registered from the turbines just after 3 p.m. on Dec. 25 was 8,638 megawatts, or enough to power just over 4.3 million homes.
But midafternoon on a cold December day isn’t a time of high electricity use. Most Texas homes are warmed by natural gas, and the sun would have been high enough in the sky that televisions and other appliances — not lights — might have consumed the most electricity. In August, by contrast, when electricity use is high due to amped-up air conditioning and when breezes for driving wind turbines are light, wind
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 12:19:31 AM

Great NEWS!

Ned...what is your issue with the USS Abe Lincoln? Aren't you aware that this is Nuclear Powered Air Craft Carrier?

I guess we could pull it into your backyard to refuel through your electrical lines! OK?

[Edited by: LetemEatCake at 2/11/2013 12:22:34 AM EST]
NedW
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 11:04:19 PM

But we can't refuel the USS Abe Lincoln. We're doomed if something isn't done.
52MPG
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 10:12:15 PM

If they cant function without tax credits they should be allowed to die.
Eugenian
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 3:10:19 PM

"The gov't is such hypocrites...tax breaks for Big Wind...and nothing for Big Oil." - Radar1992

Big Oil gets plenty of tax breaks. Even if that were not the case, it would be good public policy, not hypocrisy. The filthy oil industry makes plenty of money while its pollution costs the rest of us a lot.
BUSMAN1105
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:52:07 PM

GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
teenitup
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 11:05:00 AM

Oink, oink.
merlinCO
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 10:46:10 AM

Push wind before the oil companies and Saudis control us.
Jeff4U
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 10:44:29 AM

Obama has to pay back his cronies. Would you seriously expect otherwise?
Radar1992
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 8:49:49 AM

The gov't is such hypocrites...tax breaks for Big Wind...and nothing for Big Oil...but everyone claims there are....

If it is not economically feasible then it needs to get more efficient otherwise why would I pay for for energy if I do not need to....
Straitliner
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 8:45:14 AM

Its very promising.
ClarkSC
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 8:19:00 AM

Not promising.
txequitygas
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 8:00:09 AM

the Obuma energy plan
bisonjim
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 7:37:59 AM

Sounds like a lot of hot air.
leeac
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 7:12:35 AM

Green energy is a good investment.
Nancy&Len
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 7:11:28 AM

More taxpayer money down the drain.
SUPERSTEVIEO
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 7:00:10 AM

why do they need subsidies? are they making profits without the financial assistance or not? that is the question
beachd8
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 5:44:41 AM

Here comes Santa Clause . . .
mitt4prez
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 4:22:01 AM

More gft for Green cronies.
Alaydown
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 3:13:35 AM

More wasted tax dollars.
FluffyDogAttack
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 2:42:23 AM

Windmills are proving to be the most efficient way to totally screw up any beautiful,natural vista. Not very efficient for energy, but pretty good at killing birds.

Oh well, can't have it all.
cheapchickKY
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:24:08 AM

Good.
TXRanger09
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:17:23 AM

OK. So we've got this wind thing figured out. Now, storage of this power until we need it is the next step. Any ideas GasBuddy visionaries?
Joeski1
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:16:39 AM

It don't matter when that power goes to the grid, it get used regardless and other means of generation are cut back .
KE4YBZ
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:08:15 AM

new life breathed into wind industry

Good One... "Breathed"... Wind! Very funny.
mastermariner
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 1:05:28 AM

Has to be more cost effective
Jayburt
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:58:15 AM

Wind is another technology we must develop to free us from limited resource products we use now. Besides being clean it is a selfsustaining fuel source.
Amplion
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:49:30 AM

Sammy Adams Understands the situation perfectly !!!!!
MAC48
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:47:09 AM

It is extremely unfortunate for US taxpayers that the Wind Energy Production Credit was extended in January by the US Congress.
SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:39:10 AM

To: drz614 Re: Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:00:00 PM R (Printed below)

"why are we taxpayers still subsidizing wind?"

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The reason is (as predicted by Karl Marx) "From each according to his ability to each according to his need" Socialism, while never a movement of the downtrodden masses, does use this hapless segment of society to foment revolution in order to effect change. "Soak the rich" is what they are saying, but by the RICH, the Insiders mean anyone who has amassed enough capital to pose a threat to the empire which they are constructing. The purpose is to build a New World Order, a TWO CLASS society, where THEY are the ruling elite and everyone else are their subordinates.

Since the American system is the biggest threat to the Establishment's goals, our country must be brought in line with the rest of the world. They will use leaders from both major parties, whether Republican (George Bush, Juan McCain, Mitt Romney, etc.) or Democrat (Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, etc.) in order to effect their goals. They will use any means, such as war, phony environmental issues, SADDLE us WITH DEBT, etc. in order to destroy the middle class.

The only major legislation which MUST be passed is that of collecting the guns from private citizens. Because America is the best armed country since time immemorial, they need to first be disarmed. That plan is already underway. It's noteworthy to point out that agencies of the Federal government (collectively) have purchased 1.2 BILLION rounds of ammunition THIS YEAR. This includes Homeland Security, BATF, Social Security Administration, etc. SSA? Yes, they purchased 180 million rounds of ammunition just recently. WHY? Isn't this apparent? They want to have the armaments to "restore order" while at the same time DISARM US.

So even something as seemingly small as "subsidizing wind energy" fits in with the Insiders plan to destroy the middle class and to socialize America.
CivicMA
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:24:09 AM

Great more hot air at taxpayer expense!
ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Feb 10, 2013 12:14:20 AM

Their scamming again.
andy1024
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:40:09 PM

Hope they will make it this time.
TomT2Lee
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:20:01 PM

Excellent point drz614. As long as the scam continues, alternative energies will never be driven by the free market to evolve into the low cost energy producers they need to be.
drz614
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:00:00 PM

why are we taxpayers still subsidizing wind?
fedupMN
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 10:46:27 PM

Wind is good
esq262
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 10:21:47 PM

Shameful that the life blood f the wind industry is tax credits.
davenles
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 10:18:46 PM

Well, that blows, sort of.
LostInNY
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 10:09:19 PM

eh. just another boondoggle from Oblama
Night Owl
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 9:41:29 PM

Natural gas is the way to go:

'The federal Energy Information Administration in 2012 predicted that electricity from a new wind farm in 2017 would cost $96 per megawatt-hour; from a new coal plant, $98 a megawatt-hour; natural gas, $66; and nuclear, $111.'
Lugi1967
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 9:09:14 PM

In time they may be able to stand on its own
evowner
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 8:30:37 PM

Thanks are do to a few real statesmen. They, maybe unknowingly, exhibited responsibility about the future of alternative energy, and were not corrupted by big oil interest groups.
Yooperheart
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 8:30:30 PM

Like all forms of alternative sources of energy, there is a trade off.
Just how much will the American populous put up with.
Wind only works when you have wind.
There must be a way to collect that energy.
I have read that the new wind generators are able to pick up from very little air flow, so there is promise.
But our Uncle should not get involved.
MKAnudo
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 8:18:59 PM

Interesting...
molebaby96
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 7:03:23 PM

Stop government from wasting our money.
HorizonChaser
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:59:55 PM

Bad pun in the headline. I wonder if this is considered breaking wind news.

[Edited by: HorizonChaser at 2/9/2013 7:00:56 PM EST]
BigRedVTX
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:53:01 PM

Ah yes, high winds which wear the turbines out quicker. However, the government will pay for the replacements.
Rockyguitar
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:49:19 PM

The DC windbags strike again.
jl1rp
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:38:31 PM

One more green tech that can not make it with out help.
humblepie
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:26:40 PM

it just cant swim on its own, its a sinker
Zuegma
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:14:23 PM

It seems there is a lot of misinformation on what windpower actually delivers. There's quite a difference between capacity and delivery of power.
In the cited 8,638 megawatts of capacity (per hour or per day?)and the claim that its enough for 4.3 million homes, the later is inflated by at least a factor of 10. The reality is that the wind power capacity is not available 24 hours per day and not necessarily at peak loads nor every day.
There is no way to store it yet when it works.
Their comparison of cost versus other forms of energy is idyllic: it bears no resemblance with reality. Nothwithstanding that it's heavily subsidised, it does not compute real useage which are 24/7 and 52wks/yr and doesn't even consider their down time & maintenance/replacement costs.

DrGasPain
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 6:11:23 PM

And we have such big glut of NatGas in Texas that new wells are capped waiting for a market for it.
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