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Huntingdog
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:21:19 AM

Big Oil is rushing to extract fossil fuel from the state's underground shale formation. But will it contaminate — and waste — portions of our water supply?
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:44:09 PM

LOL, one can neither exclude or exempt something that was never covered under the SDWA in the first place.

The truth shall set you free!
LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 12:17:44 AM


LMAO! Comments are the truth! More smoke and mirrors for you Pops. You need to read my comments carefully. You obviously don't know what 'exclude' means.

The reason you hear these talking points...is they are not your truths...but they are for the rest of us.

What a tangled web you weave! GEEZ, grow up!
drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:00:05 AM

Now Cakes, let's maintain the truth, the WHOLE truth.

The 2005 energy bill clarified (not exempted) that the oil and natural gas industries were limited in regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act, Hydraulic fracturing never was regulated under the Safe Drinking Water Act. By the way, the Energy Policy Act of 2005 earned the bipartisan support of the U.S. Senate, 74 "yea" votes, that included Ken Salazar and senator Barack Obama.

Tell us Cakes, How can an industry be exempt from something that never covered it in the first place? We hear this falsehood talking point most every time the subject comes up. But we never get an answer to that do we?

As pointed out, NHLiveFree was completely untruthful in saying hydraulic fracturing is exempt from the Clean Water Act.

Furthermore, every step in the process of drilling and fraccing is covered at some point by the following Acts:
CWA: Clean Water Act • OSHA: Occupational Safety and Health Administration • SDWA: Safe Drinking Water Act • EPRCA: Community “Right to Know” Act

The truth shall set you free!!!

[Edited by: drpepperTX at 2/8/2013 12:01:38 AM EST]
LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:36:14 PM


The real truth is: The Safe Drinking Water Act....

"Several statutes may be leveraged to protect water quality, but EPA's central authority to protect drinking water is drawn from the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA). The protection of USDWs is focused in the Underground Injection Control (UIC) program, which regulates the subsurface emplacement of fluid. Congress provided for exclusions to UIC authority (SDWA, however, with the most recent language added via the Energy Policy Act of 2005:

"The term 'underground injection' –
(A) means the subsurface emplacement of fluids by well injection; and
(B) excludes –
(i) the underground injection of natural gas for purposes of storage; and
(ii) the underground injection of fluids or propping agents (other than diesel fuels) pursuant to hydraulic fracturing operations related to oil, gas, or geothermal production activities.

While the SDWA specifically excludes hydraulic fracturing from UIC regulation under SDWA, the use of diesel fuel during hydraulic fracturing is still regulated by the UIC program. Any service company that performs hydraulic fracturing using diesel fuel must receive prior authorization through the applicable UIC."

Less "put downs" Pop would be appreciated. We all know you know everything about everything. LMAO! Treat GB's like you would be treated...that is the truth!
drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:27:20 AM

Actually NHLiveFree, the shame is the complete misinformation you just spread.

The Clean Water Act? Oh dear, what a tangled web we weave...

The entire process, every step, of hydraulic fracturing is absolutely regulated under the CWA. You really should go back and read your talking points memos more closely!
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 8:48:08 AM

Stating the obvious
jrs4125
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 7:07:56 AM

Doooooh
NedW
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 1:32:00 AM

"California" seems to be more and more a term of derision as the months go by.
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 12:16:39 AM


It is a shame, at this point, that the process water is NOT recovered and treated to remove all the process chemicals and additives. At least 90% of the time, the wastewater is handled in the cheapest way possible for the drilling company. This means it is either dumped or injected into the ground without any treatment! That is because this wonderful and ethical industry lobbied for and gained a total exemption from our Clean Water Act!
That is the real truth.
NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 12:10:14 AM


What water supply? It seems that CA robs all the other Western states of their water for CA use.
drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 3:55:54 PM

Excellent points Zuegma, but those that deny the science will continue to ignore it in the name of promoting fear and paranoia.
Radar1992
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 3:27:04 PM

At least he was totally unbiased in his notions....sarcasm intended...

[Edited by: Radar1992 at 2/6/2013 3:27:47 PM EST]
Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:48:54 PM

As for Zuegma..... running a little false there....

If the water is recoverable and treatable, why were the Wyoming ranchers forced to start using bottled water after their water source was contaminated?

Also....it is interesting how you say the wells are thousands of feet below the aquifers..... yet the aquifers are a source of water.... so the wells are between the aquifers and the surface--- by your own statement....
OTISFL
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:45:11 PM

Never.
Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:45:09 PM

Poor mitty and his delusions.....
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:42:55 PM

What does the Left care if water suupplies are polluted? They won't let farmers use water anyway.
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:39:32 PM

Time will tell.
Zuegma
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:29:42 PM

It's interesting on just how much misinformation is published on the topic of hydraulic fracturing.
- the water is recoverable and treatable;
- the wells are thousands of feet below used aquifers;
- and creating earthquakes is the epitome of fear mongering;
- oil companies do remain liable long after the actual drilling stage;
- inherently, care for their bottom line and their 1st, 2nd and 3rd commandments are: "Thou shall not spill oil".
schatzila
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:10:42 PM

here come the shakers
eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:10:13 PM

That was an interesting article. Fracking causes serious health and environmental concerns and uses vast amounts of non recoverable water.

It contaminates groundwater and uses up large quantities of clean water.

Somebody better take a good look at the process.
humblepie
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:02:27 PM

poor californians, good thing they are leaving in droves
orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:22:22 PM

California should look VERY CLOSELY at what is currently happening in Mexico with tapping of deep water aquifers.

California has the land and climate to be a fruit and vegetable basket in perpetuity--if care is taken.

The idea of pumping waste water from fracking down into deep water aquifers where--normally--it might never cause any harm because it would never be used, and it is too deep to migrate to the potable water zone falls apart completely if you ever--in the next few(?) thousand years--have to tap the deep water aquifers after all.

Happened to Mexico City--could happen to California.
truvoice1
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:15:14 PM

Numerous studies have cleared fracking from contamination of water supplies; yet the environmental wackos keep on screaming the same old tune, even going to the extent of falsifying data and poisoning water supplies and then blaming the oil industry. Yes, controls are needed to protect the water and the ecosystems and they are being used already. The economic benefits for California business and consumers are undeniable, and we should get going on this as soon as possible!
roosfamily
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:10:05 PM

As a California native, I worry that all this fracking will upset our volatile tectonic plates : (
LilRedWagonIN
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:09:48 PM

How old are their headline writers there?
amoshins
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:42:24 AM

I hope not
mastermariner
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:33:12 AM

Will never happen
fedupMN
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:23:25 AM

Will it contaminate??? Big oil does not care, it's all about making money.
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