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Huntingdog Champion Author Oakland Posts:14,189 Points:2,787,385 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:21:19 AM Ignore Huntingdog Report Abuse Big Oil is rushing to extract fossil fuel from the state's underground shale formation. But will it contaminate — and waste — portions of our water supply? Visit East Bay Express for full article

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Big Oil is rushing to extract fossil fuel from the state's underground shale formation. But will it contaminate — and waste — portions of our water supply?
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drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 11:44:09 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse LOL, one can neither exclude or exempt something that was never covered under the SDWA in the first place. The truth shall set you free!
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,609 Points:1,206,455 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2013 12:17:44 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse LMAO! Comments are the truth! More smoke and mirrors for you Pops. You need to read my comments carefully. You obviously don't know what 'exclude' means. The reason you hear these talking points...is they are not your truths...but they are for the rest of us. What a tangled web you weave! GEEZ, grow up!
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 12:00:05 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Now Cakes, let's maintain the truth, the WHOLE truth. The 2005 energy bill clarified (not exempted) that the oil and natural gas industries were limited in regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act, Hydraulic fracturing never was regulated under the Safe Drinking Water Act. By the way, the Energy Policy Act of 2005 earned the bipartisan support of the U.S. Senate, 74 "yea" votes, that included Ken Salazar and senator Barack Obama. Tell us Cakes, How can an industry be exempt from something that never covered it in the first place? We hear this falsehood talking point most every time the subject comes up. But we never get an answer to that do we? As pointed out, NHLiveFree was completely untruthful in saying hydraulic fracturing is exempt from the Clean Water Act. Furthermore, every step in the process of drilling and fraccing is covered at some point by the following Acts: CWA: Clean Water Act • OSHA: Occupational Safety and Health Administration • SDWA: Safe Drinking Water Act • EPRCA: Community “Right to Know” Act The truth shall set you free!!! [Edited by: drpepperTX at 2/8/2013 12:01:38 AM EST]
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,609 Points:1,206,455 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:36:14 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse The real truth is: The Safe Drinking Water Act.... "Several statutes may be leveraged to protect water quality, but EPA's central authority to protect drinking water is drawn from the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA). The protection of USDWs is focused in the Underground Injection Control (UIC) program, which regulates the subsurface emplacement of fluid. Congress provided for exclusions to UIC authority (SDWA, however, with the most recent language added via the Energy Policy Act of 2005: "The term 'underground injection' – (A) means the subsurface emplacement of fluids by well injection; and (B) excludes – (i) the underground injection of natural gas for purposes of storage; and (ii) the underground injection of fluids or propping agents (other than diesel fuels) pursuant to hydraulic fracturing operations related to oil, gas, or geothermal production activities. While the SDWA specifically excludes hydraulic fracturing from UIC regulation under SDWA, the use of diesel fuel during hydraulic fracturing is still regulated by the UIC program. Any service company that performs hydraulic fracturing using diesel fuel must receive prior authorization through the applicable UIC." Less "put downs" Pop would be appreciated. We all know you know everything about everything. LMAO! Treat GB's like you would be treated...that is the truth!
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:27:20 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Actually NHLiveFree, the shame is the complete misinformation you just spread. The Clean Water Act? Oh dear, what a tangled web we weave... The entire process, every step, of hydraulic fracturing is absolutely regulated under the CWA. You really should go back and read your talking points memos more closely!
endymion All-Star Author New York Posts:838 Points:173,655 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 8:48:08 AM Ignore endymion Report Abuse Stating the obvious
jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,763 Points:592,720 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 7:07:56 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse Doooooh
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,620 Points:1,143,220 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 1:32:00 AM Ignore NedW Report Abuse "California" seems to be more and more a term of derision as the months go by.
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,105 Points:1,624,380 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 12:16:39 AM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse It is a shame, at this point, that the process water is NOT recovered and treated to remove all the process chemicals and additives. At least 90% of the time, the wastewater is handled in the cheapest way possible for the drilling company. This means it is either dumped or injected into the ground without any treatment! That is because this wonderful and ethical industry lobbied for and gained a total exemption from our Clean Water Act! That is the real truth.
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,105 Points:1,624,380 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 12:10:14 AM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse What water supply? It seems that CA robs all the other Western states of their water for CA use.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 3:55:54 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Excellent points Zuegma, but those that deny the science will continue to ignore it in the name of promoting fear and paranoia.
Radar1992 Champion Author Florida Posts:1,330 Points:311,140 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 3:27:04 PM Ignore Radar1992 Report Abuse At least he was totally unbiased in his notions....sarcasm intended... [Edited by: Radar1992 at 2/6/2013 3:27:47 PM EST]
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,014 Points:1,113,395 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:48:54 PM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse As for Zuegma..... running a little false there.... If the water is recoverable and treatable, why were the Wyoming ranchers forced to start using bottled water after their water source was contaminated? Also....it is interesting how you say the wells are thousands of feet below the aquifers..... yet the aquifers are a source of water.... so the wells are between the aquifers and the surface--- by your own statement....
OTISFL Champion Author Pensacola Posts:4,615 Points:866,790 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:45:11 PM Ignore OTISFL Report Abuse Never.
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,014 Points:1,113,395 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:45:09 PM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse Poor mitty and his delusions.....
mitt4prez Champion Author Tacoma Posts:1,752 Points:1,247,175 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:42:55 PM Ignore mitt4prez Report Abuse What does the Left care if water suupplies are polluted? They won't let farmers use water anyway.
200porter Champion Author Toronto Posts:2,070 Points:543,110 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:39:32 PM Ignore 200porter Report Abuse Time will tell.
Zuegma All-Star Author Nova Scotia Posts:993 Points:258,880 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:29:42 PM Ignore Zuegma Report Abuse It's interesting on just how much misinformation is published on the topic of hydraulic fracturing. - the water is recoverable and treatable; - the wells are thousands of feet below used aquifers; - and creating earthquakes is the epitome of fear mongering; - oil companies do remain liable long after the actual drilling stage; - inherently, care for their bottom line and their 1st, 2nd and 3rd commandments are: "Thou shall not spill oil".
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,954 Points:1,017,595 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:10:42 PM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse here come the shakers
eyegotgas2 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,106 Points:258,155 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:10:13 PM Ignore eyegotgas2 Report Abuse That was an interesting article. Fracking causes serious health and environmental concerns and uses vast amounts of non recoverable water. It contaminates groundwater and uses up large quantities of clean water. Somebody better take a good look at the process.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,271 Points:2,372,345 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 1:02:27 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse poor californians, good thing they are leaving in droves
orphancarguyPE Champion Author PEI Posts:3,853 Points:735,965 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:22:22 PM Ignore orphancarguyPE Report Abuse California should look VERY CLOSELY at what is currently happening in Mexico with tapping of deep water aquifers. California has the land and climate to be a fruit and vegetable basket in perpetuity--if care is taken. The idea of pumping waste water from fracking down into deep water aquifers where--normally--it might never cause any harm because it would never be used, and it is too deep to migrate to the potable water zone falls apart completely if you ever--in the next few(?) thousand years--have to tap the deep water aquifers after all. Happened to Mexico City--could happen to California.
truvoice1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:1,288 Points:475,315 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:15:14 PM Ignore truvoice1 Report Abuse Numerous studies have cleared fracking from contamination of water supplies; yet the environmental wackos keep on screaming the same old tune, even going to the extent of falsifying data and poisoning water supplies and then blaming the oil industry. Yes, controls are needed to protect the water and the ecosystems and they are being used already. The economic benefits for California business and consumers are undeniable, and we should get going on this as soon as possible!
roosfamily Rookie Author San Francisco Posts:61 Points:564,235 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:10:05 PM Ignore roosfamily Report Abuse As a California native, I worry that all this fracking will upset our volatile tectonic plates : (
LilRedWagonIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,786 Points:1,556,335 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 12:09:48 PM Ignore LilRedWagonIN Report Abuse How old are their headline writers there?
amoshins Champion Author Trenton Posts:2,200 Points:642,620 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:42:24 AM Ignore amoshins Report Abuse I hope not
mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,249 Points:494,800 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:33:12 AM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse Will never happen
fedupMN Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,959 Points:574,430 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:23:25 AM Ignore fedupMN Report Abuse Will it contaminate??? Big oil does not care, it's all about making money.