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pilotmass

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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:13:14 PM

First of all, if the American sold Chevrolet Cruze Eco-D uses the same diesel engine (or a similar engine) to what is used in other markets in the Holden Cruze, this super efficient model will be powered by a 2.0L 4-cylinder turbo diesel. In Australia, this engine offers 161 horsepower and 266lb-ft of torque so if it carries over those specifications; the Eco-D will easily be the most powerful option in the Cruze lineup. More importantly, this output would make the Cruze diesel quite a bit more powerful than the popular Volkswagen Jetta TDI that offers “only” 140 horsepower and 236lb-ft of torque
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ss70
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 11:00:59 AM

hope they are not going to charge high premium for that .
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 10:38:22 AM

More powerful that the VW TDI? That power is just not needed, and it ruins the fuel mileage. I know, because I drive both a 1.9L turbodiesel VW (older--fantastic mileage) and a 2.0L turbodiesel VW, both wagons. The new one has so much torque you can spin the tires on dry pavement, but I stopped being excited about that when I was about 21. That extra torque comes at an awful price in fuel economy--a good 20-25% less all the time. Where it matters, driving along the highway with a full load, both pass smartly, and can go any legal or illegal speed you can try. (I know the old one can cruise comfortably and effortlessly at 100 mph, or 160 kph, all day long)

In most markets, VW also offers the new 1.6L turbodiesel as well as the 2.0L for their big cars. The new 1.6L has more horsepower and torque than my old tech 1.9L, with the same sort of mpg or even better than the old style 1.9L.
105hp/184ft pds torque/top speed 118 mph/0-60 11.9 seconds and in the BlueMotion version with stop/start and electric recuperation/start assist (like the new Buicks) it gets 48 city 58.8 highway and 54.7 overall, in US mpg terms. As I said, a lot faster and more powerful than my old wagon, less powerful than the new wagon, and beats both in mileage. 54.7 imagine that--that is what the British Jetta SportsWagon gets, manual or automatic, and it exceeds the US 2025 figure!

If Chev was smart, they would come in with a smaller and more economical engine. Because a diesel performs on torque at low RPMs rather than gasoline on horsepower at high RPMs, in everyday use the lower hp diesel would outperform a higher hp gasoline engine where it counts--merging onto a superhighway, or passing on a 2 lane highway.

As it is, I don't think I'd be interested. Smaller engine = instant bragging rights to likely the most fuel efficient non-hybrid on the market, and possibly even surpassing the 2025 figure 12 years ahead of the time limit. Larger engine--no REAL game changer.
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Goatroper
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 8:59:39 AM

I hope it's got bullet proof glass if it's in Chicago. More Americans are being killed in Chicago than in Afghanistan. How's that strict gun control working out for you Rahm?
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car253
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 8:27:40 AM

Cost will determine the success of this car.
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335d1
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 7:07:09 AM

Go diesel!
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millerin
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 5:06:29 AM

Can't wait
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rcornel
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 12:20:59 AM

That's good.
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leeac
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 12:18:06 AM

What many consumers want is an inexpensive car that gets great gas economy.
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drobbbb
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 11:28:57 PM

good
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lesndave
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 11:04:09 PM

K
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Tacodan
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 9:29:39 PM

interesting how Government Motors gets to introduce a diesel so fast and most of the other auto makers have had diesel engines but EPA or who ever won't let them produce them here.
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pulpwood
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 8:45:09 PM

bring it on
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Straitliner
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:44:26 PM

Yeah, who wants a diesel?
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turboz2012
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:28:25 PM

And it will probably cost $3000 more for the diesel.
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bluetruck54
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:18:34 PM

and why would I want a diesel that costs me $.65/gal MORE than the gas
version????? the better mileage comes up far short when you look
at the cost calculation.
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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:18:03 PM

too little too late...who buys based on torque??
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Taxrefugee
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:03:27 PM

Govt motors,debut in O's home,town.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:41:58 PM

gm will screw it up, just wait
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beck12j
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:33:03 PM

but who trusts GM
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:16:59 PM

So sell them GM.... now... get them on the market... along with the Cruze...
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:16:28 PM

I am still torn between the Trax and the Groove... (grin)
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:16:06 PM

My sister still wants a Trax....
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:15:48 PM

Still waiting for the Triplets GM promised seven years ago
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Gnusman53
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:15:12 PM

Hopefully they will sell it and sell the super-efficient model here in the US
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Gazas
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:45:56 PM

Interesting.
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amoshins
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:20:24 PM

Still not ready for a diesel
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:14:01 PM

And it's looking like Nelson Cruz is on PEDs
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schvanda63
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:19:55 PM

Too little, too late for GM. They have lost all their credibility with the American people. I wont buy another GM product.
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jeffbone
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:15:06 PM

Bring it on...hopefully Chevy will show one at the DC Auto Show...
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