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mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,249 Points:495,675 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 11:56:52 AM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse Ethanol-blended gasoline approved for use in most U.S. vehicles may damage car engines by harming fuel pumps, according to a study funded by oil refiners and automakers. The industry groups have opposed the standard set by the Environmental Protection Agency that allows so-called E15 blended fuels, which contain 15 percent ethanol. While the EPA cleared the blend for most vehicles sold since 2001, the study released today by the Coordinating Research Council shows it may cause fuel-pump failures, component swelling and problems that could trigger on-board diagnostic system breakdowns. “Given the types of vehicles tested, it’s safe to say that millions could be affected,” Bob Greco, the American Petroleum Institute’s downstream group director, told reporters. “The more we study, Visit Bloomberg for full article

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Ethanol-blended gasoline approved for use in most U.S. vehicles may damage car engines by harming fuel pumps, according to a study funded by oil refiners and automakers.
The industry groups have opposed the standard set by the Environmental Protection Agency that allows so-called E15 blended fuels, which contain 15 percent ethanol. While the EPA cleared the blend for most vehicles sold since 2001, the study released today by the Coordinating Research Council shows it may cause fuel-pump failures, component swelling and problems that could trigger on-board diagnostic system breakdowns.
“Given the types of vehicles tested, it’s safe to say that millions could be affected,” Bob Greco, the American Petroleum Institute’s downstream group director, told reporters. “The more we study,
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ss70 Champion Author Detroit Posts:9,677 Points:1,872,050 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 10:53:24 AM Ignore ss70 Report Abuse For Sure .... My old Honda was not ready for e10 itself.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,561 Points:749,995 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 8:14:11 AM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse Yup, even my new 2012 Scion specifically states on the gas cap to not use e-15 or e-85.
FPLREP Champion Author Virginia Posts:8,271 Points:2,450,200 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 6:24:58 AM Ignore FPLREP Report Abuse "most vehicles sold since 2001, the study released today by the Coordinating Research Council shows it may cause fuel-pump failures" I am not a litigation promoter, but it would be nice to see a law suit against the EPA for repairs.
FluffyDogAttack Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,082 Points:97,045 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 1:53:44 AM Ignore FluffyDogAttack Report Abuse Uh, hello McFly? Ethanol hurts engines?
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,906 Points:774,220 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 12:35:42 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse hurts my engine.
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,906 Points:774,220 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 12:35:26 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse Ban Ethanol!
el_fr Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:3,347 Points:746,650 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 12:26:18 AM Ignore el_fr Report Abuse 100% agree
LQQKGAS Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,673 Points:1,197,845 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 11:25:29 PM Ignore LQQKGAS Report Abuse Gasoline may damage engines, Propane and natural gas is much better.
BuckyTJones Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:4,932 Points:967,950 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 9:19:12 PM Ignore BuckyTJones Report Abuse The only certain thing about this is, our leaders will shove it down our throats.
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:9,526 Points:1,832,590 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 8:57:09 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Ethanol has messed up my 98 Jeep grand Cherokee and it only had E10.
bwatchingu Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,745 Points:602,495 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:38:20 PM Ignore bwatchingu Report Abuse duh
Jeff1944 Champion Author South Dakota Posts:4,239 Points:1,075,595 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:04:21 PM Ignore Jeff1944 Report Abuse I have used 10% ethanol (87 or higher) in 3 Grand Cherokee Jeeps along with Mobil One synthetic oil for many years without an complications.
investmentdr Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,039 Points:1,457,000 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:42:47 PM Ignore investmentdr Report Abuse beware of the source
investmentdr Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,039 Points:1,457,000 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:42:01 PM Ignore investmentdr Report Abuse let's see. "oil" refiners make about $0 on "ethanol" refining. Of course ethanol is bad to them. [Edited by: investmentdr at 1/29/2013 4:42:17 PM EST]
investmentdr Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,039 Points:1,457,000 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:39:58 PM Ignore investmentdr Report Abuse what else would you expect them to say?
LostInNY Champion Author New York Posts:1,726 Points:649,770 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:20:52 PM Ignore LostInNY Report Abuse Gee, they really needed a costly study to come up with a conclusion everybody knows already?
RAE344 Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:3,069 Points:662,495 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:13:56 PM Ignore RAE344 Report Abuse The war on the poor by the current administration will not be diverted because of the truth. Darn the inconvenient truth, full speed ahead.
Taxrefugee Champion Author Arizona Posts:1,408 Points:388,040 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:05:16 PM Ignore Taxrefugee Report Abuse Know what type of fuel your vehicle can or cannot use. Don't blame the govt, the oil companies, etc. it's your responsibility. Period
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,084 Points:1,450,275 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:53:49 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse So how many times do we need to read and hear these warnings before some politician actually listens and does something?
evowner Champion Author Salem Posts:2,187 Points:361,010 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:48:57 PM Ignore evowner Report Abuse And you expect the oil companies to recommend an alternate fuel? Really?
doggod Champion Author Anchorage Posts:2,853 Points:742,335 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:31:12 PM Ignore doggod Report Abuse I wonder what it will take to get the immoral politicians to reverse this big mistake.
qwerty17 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,660 Points:1,119,625 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:26:58 PM Ignore qwerty17 Report Abuse fly far away ethanol.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,289 Points:2,373,320 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:02:56 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse this whole mess is an epa fiasco
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:7,560 Points:1,788,550 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:49:34 PM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse Yes, get rid of that ethanol crap.
01DuraMAX Champion Author Tacoma Posts:3,490 Points:718,190 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:16:02 PM Ignore 01DuraMAX Report Abuse No Kidding !!! We have known this for years. Get the Ethanol out of our GAS.
BigKart All-Star Author Indianapolis Posts:771 Points:226,875 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:29:34 PM Ignore BigKart Report Abuse Ya think?
07skydriver Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,270 Points:984,285 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:15:14 PM Ignore 07skydriver Report Abuse Let consumers decide.
jeffbone Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,366 Points:401,810 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:14:34 PM Ignore jeffbone Report Abuse Late to the party, boys...
CocoPaz Champion Author Santa Barbara Posts:2,380 Points:324,820 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:05:47 PM Ignore CocoPaz Report Abuse Well...dah. People have been saying this for quite sometime. We are praying for those killed or hurt in the terrible Brazilian club fire.
Suzzoom Champion Author Nevada Posts:2,378 Points:507,340 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:00:11 PM Ignore Suzzoom Report Abuse Hey, Bloomberg--we GBs are way ahead of you on this one.
eyegotgas2 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,111 Points:258,380 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:50:50 PM Ignore eyegotgas2 Report Abuse It's a good thing at least some agency is looking into it but this should have been done before the the product was ever marketed.
Sapper08 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,074 Points:322,250 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:46:54 PM Ignore Sapper08 Report Abuse They're is an easy solution. Don't use our food for fuel!
VomVom Champion Author Calgary Posts:3,857 Points:1,627,080 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:38:29 PM Ignore VomVom Report Abuse At least the API & the automakers produced a study by the Coordinating Research Council. What has the ethanol produced: None,Zero,Zilch. All they have done is deny and rant. There has been enough concern about E15 causing problem with engines that the EPA should conduct an independent study. Toyota even has warning about using E15 on the gas caps. Give people a choice.
doeslayersr Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,127 Points:873,955 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:28:15 PM Ignore doeslayersr Report Abuse Yep. Get rid of all the ethanol blended fuels except E-85 and people know if they want to run E-85 they need a flex fuel capable engine to do so.
mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,249 Points:495,675 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:25:23 PM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse Who started this?
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,959 Points:1,018,570 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:20:16 PM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse Who to believe?
bar1035 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:9,172 Points:1,300,170 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:10:43 PM Ignore bar1035 Report Abuse You voted for it, so you must want it .
tnfran Champion Author Arizona Posts:4,388 Points:844,140 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:07:45 PM Ignore tnfran Report Abuse Sad we can't get the "politicians" to BAN ethanol . From the article: "While the EPA cleared the blend for most vehicles sold since 2001, the study released today by the Coordinating Research Council shows it may cause fuel-pump failures, component swelling and problems that could trigger on-board diagnostic system breakdowns."
WalkingWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:3,701 Points:779,595 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:05:24 PM Ignore WalkingWV Report Abuse End all ethanol!
Tekkersmom57 Champion Author Syracuse Posts:1,884 Points:702,165 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:05:01 PM Ignore Tekkersmom57 Report Abuse This is my favorite line of the article: "...the study released today by the Coordinating Research Council shows it may cause fuel-pump failures, component swelling and problems that could trigger on-board diagnostic system breakdowns" REALLY......I don't want ethanol in my fuel tank......what does the EPA have over the government's head that they just keep marching forward with E15 that no one wants!
mitt4prez Champion Author Tacoma Posts:1,757 Points:1,248,150 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:05:00 PM Ignore mitt4prez Report Abuse Millions could be affected...but they are all red state clingers so the hell with them. On with GREEEEEEEEENNNNN!!!
djwhit Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,017 Points:1,209,430 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:03:57 PM Ignore djwhit Report Abuse THATS RIGHT.........
MrDeath666 Champion Author Houston Posts:1,626 Points:246,140 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:03:48 PM Ignore MrDeath666 Report Abuse Really good news here.
hornet17 Champion Author Vancouver Posts:1,323 Points:440,865 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:02:30 PM Ignore hornet17 Report Abuse good for them.
hornet17 Champion Author Vancouver Posts:1,323 Points:440,865 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:01:47 PM Ignore hornet17 Report Abuse although it is true, they do have a vested interest.
DoctorV Champion Author Detroit Posts:1,070 Points:204,570 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 11:58:34 AM Ignore DoctorV Report Abuse Ethanol is cutting into refiners share of the market.