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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 11:56:52 AM

Ethanol-blended gasoline approved for use in most U.S. vehicles may damage car engines by harming fuel pumps, according to a study funded by oil refiners and automakers.
The industry groups have opposed the standard set by the Environmental Protection Agency that allows so-called E15 blended fuels, which contain 15 percent ethanol. While the EPA cleared the blend for most vehicles sold since 2001, the study released today by the Coordinating Research Council shows it may cause fuel-pump failures, component swelling and problems that could trigger on-board diagnostic system breakdowns.
“Given the types of vehicles tested, it’s safe to say that millions could be affected,” Bob Greco, the American Petroleum Institute’s downstream group director, told reporters. “The more we study,
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ss70
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 10:53:24 AM

For Sure .... My old Honda was not ready for e10 itself.
blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 8:14:11 AM

Yup, even my new 2012 Scion specifically states on the gas cap to not use e-15 or e-85.
FPLREP
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 6:24:58 AM

"most vehicles sold since 2001, the study released today by the Coordinating Research Council shows it may cause fuel-pump failures" I am not a litigation promoter, but it would be nice to see a law suit against the EPA for repairs.
FluffyDogAttack
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 1:53:44 AM

Uh, hello McFly? Ethanol hurts engines?
jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 12:35:42 AM

hurts my engine.
jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 12:35:26 AM

Ban Ethanol!
el_fr
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 12:26:18 AM

100% agree
LQQKGAS
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 11:25:29 PM


Gasoline may damage engines, Propane and natural gas is much better.
BuckyTJones
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 9:19:12 PM


The only certain thing about this is, our leaders will shove it down our throats.
PathfinderSC
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 8:57:09 PM

Ethanol has messed up my 98 Jeep grand Cherokee and it only had E10.
bwatchingu
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:38:20 PM

duh
Jeff1944
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:04:21 PM

I have used 10% ethanol (87 or higher) in 3 Grand Cherokee Jeeps along with Mobil One synthetic oil for many years without an complications.
investmentdr
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:42:47 PM

beware of the source
investmentdr
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:42:01 PM

let's see. "oil" refiners make about $0 on "ethanol" refining. Of course ethanol is bad to them.

[Edited by: investmentdr at 1/29/2013 4:42:17 PM EST]
investmentdr
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:39:58 PM

what else would you expect them to say?
LostInNY
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:20:52 PM

Gee, they really needed a costly study to come up with a conclusion everybody knows already?
RAE344
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:13:56 PM

The war on the poor by the current administration will not be diverted because of the truth.

Darn the inconvenient truth, full speed ahead.
Taxrefugee
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:05:16 PM

Know what type of fuel your vehicle can or cannot use. Don't blame the govt, the oil companies, etc. it's your responsibility. Period
PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:53:49 PM


So how many times do we need to read and hear these warnings before some politician actually listens and does something?
evowner
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:48:57 PM

And you expect the oil companies to recommend an alternate fuel?
Really?
doggod
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:31:12 PM

I wonder what it will take to get the immoral politicians to reverse this big mistake.

qwerty17
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:26:58 PM

fly far away ethanol.
humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:02:56 PM

this whole mess is an epa fiasco
Night Owl
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:49:34 PM

Yes, get rid of that ethanol crap.
01DuraMAX
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:16:02 PM

No Kidding !!! We have known this for years. Get the Ethanol out of our GAS.
BigKart
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:29:34 PM

Ya think?
07skydriver
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:15:14 PM

Let consumers decide.
jeffbone
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:14:34 PM

Late to the party, boys...
CocoPaz
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:05:47 PM

Well...dah. People have been saying this for quite sometime.

We are praying for those killed or hurt in the terrible Brazilian club fire.
Suzzoom
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:00:11 PM

Hey, Bloomberg--we GBs are way ahead of you on this one.
eyegotgas2
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:50:50 PM

It's a good thing at least some agency is looking into it but this should have been done before the the product was ever marketed.
Sapper08
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:46:54 PM

They're is an easy solution. Don't use our food for fuel!
VomVom
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:38:29 PM

At least the API & the automakers produced a study by the Coordinating Research Council. What has the ethanol produced: None,Zero,Zilch. All they have done is deny and rant.

There has been enough concern about E15 causing problem with engines that the EPA should conduct an independent study. Toyota even has warning about using E15 on the gas caps.

Give people a choice.
doeslayersr
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:28:15 PM

Yep. Get rid of all the ethanol blended fuels except E-85 and people know if they want to run E-85 they need a flex fuel capable engine to do so.
mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:25:23 PM

Who started this?
schatzila
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:20:16 PM

Who to believe?
bar1035
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:10:43 PM

You voted for it, so you must want it .

tnfran
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:07:45 PM

Sad we can't get the "politicians" to BAN ethanol .

From the article:
"While the EPA cleared the blend for most vehicles sold since 2001, the study released today by the Coordinating Research Council shows it may cause fuel-pump failures, component swelling and problems that could trigger on-board diagnostic system breakdowns."
WalkingWV
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:05:24 PM

End all ethanol!
Tekkersmom57
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:05:01 PM

This is my favorite line of the article: "...the study released today by the Coordinating Research Council shows it may cause fuel-pump failures, component swelling and problems that could trigger on-board diagnostic system breakdowns"

REALLY......I don't want ethanol in my fuel tank......what does the EPA have over the government's head that they just keep marching forward with E15 that no one wants!
mitt4prez
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:05:00 PM

Millions could be affected...but they are all red state clingers so the hell with them. On with GREEEEEEEEENNNNN!!!
djwhit
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:03:57 PM

THATS RIGHT.........
MrDeath666
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:03:48 PM

Really good news here.
hornet17
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:02:30 PM

good for them.
hornet17
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:01:47 PM

although it is true, they do have a vested interest.
DoctorV
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 11:58:34 AM

Ethanol is cutting into refiners share of the market.
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