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bar1035
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 2:40:55 AM

WASHINGTON – As 21st century technology strains to become ever faster, cleaner and cheaper, an invention from more than 200 years ago keeps holding it back. It's why electric cars aren't clogging the roads and why Boeing's new ultra-efficient 787 Dreamliners aren't flying high.

And chances are you have this little invention next to you right now and probably have cursed it recently: the infernal battery.

"We need to leapfrog the engineering of making of batteries," said Lawrence Berkeley National Lab battery scientist Vince Battaglia. "We've got to find the next big thing."

But none of the 10 experts who talked to The Associated Press said they know what that big thing will be yet, or when it will come.

"If you crack it ... it'll change the world," said Carnegie Mellon University mate
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remay
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 3:22:39 PM

REALLY??? I didn't relate to THAT description!

in·fer·nal (n-fûrnl)
adj.
1.
a. Of or relating to a lower world of the dead.
b. Of or relating to hell: infernal punishments; infernal powers.
2. Fiendish; diabolical: infernal instruments of war.
3. Abominable; awful: the infernal racket of the jackhammers.
bston
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 1:49:06 PM

Interesting
sillywagon
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 11:00:05 PM

Does this mean that politics cannot defy physics?
jl1rp
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 10:46:48 PM

Good read on this.
leemun
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 9:49:10 PM

Batteries work just great, provided you don't use them in anything bigger than an ipad.
ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 9:32:01 PM

Batteries is one area that is lagging behind and needs improvement.
Van_Halen
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:30:51 PM

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There is other battery technology, I have seen it. There are two reasons you have not. One the government does not want the technology or certain chemicals to be available in the new batteries. Second, Duracell and Union Carbide would go broke if your battery lasted for 5 years of continuous use!
PrinceLH
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:13:03 PM

And someone will be joining the Jobs, Gates, statosphere.
Night Owl
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 12:14:00 PM

Definitely. Battery technology is still far too primitive and costly.
eschroth442
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 12:07:09 PM

we can make energy just not store it efficiently
crep1291
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 10:20:55 AM

Fuel cells are probably the answer.
jbhubbell
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 10:04:11 AM

Good article
MrGasKGB
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:38:09 AM

You would think that someone would have improved batteries by now.
PTBpricer
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:38:05 AM

Go find that big (battery) thing!
the1roadhog
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:24:38 AM

I agree that the remedy or alternative for the basic battery will be a major breakthrough.
BigRedVTX
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:21:35 AM

MIT, Georgia Tech and others are working with materials far advanced from Lithium Ion.
What amazes me is that A123 folded after getting a wonderful handout from our current administration.
And the mini-manhattan project? How much? Wow!
Give the money to these kids working on the programs and something will be done.
GingoutMD
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:13:17 AM

Energy storage is the next big technological leap we need to make. If we cold simply find a way to capture lightning in a bottle, we would all be happy campers.
sabre75
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:57:27 AM

Don't stop looking.
bcline909
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:46:46 AM

yep
gcalleja
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:35:37 AM

How great that would be.
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:26:25 AM

And spent LI and NiC batteries end up where?.............landfills!
el_fr
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:07:32 AM

It's out there. Find it
grandpadon28110
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:54:37 AM

Keep looking.
Yooperheart
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:50:03 AM

Dig deep into the Sci-fi realm.
Those writers always give inspiration.
tractormantim
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:47:03 AM

The article says
" One reason the battery is the slowpoke of the high-tech highway is that it has conflicting functions. Its primary job is to store energy. But it's also supposed to discharge power, lots of it, quickly. Those two jobs are at odds with each other.
"If you want high storage, you can't get high power," said M. Stanley Whittingham, director of the Northeast Center for Chemical Energy Storage. "People are expecting more than what's possible."
bills299
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:32:48 AM

ok!
gbs1
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:31:25 AM

I agree, It's true.
Gas_Eyes
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:25:21 AM

Batteries need to be improved to make it cheaper lighter and carry more charge.
mandoid
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:22:00 AM

If you crack it ... it'll change the world - yep can't agree more
daytonabiker
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:08:56 AM

big oil holds back energy tech,
just like all inventions in history
leeac
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:50:24 AM

Batteries are getting better just not better enough. There will be a break through in energy storage.

[Edited by: leeac at 1/25/2013 5:50:52 AM EST]
yardslave
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:50:05 AM

It's coming. (and it won't have an iPad dock)
George0446
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:46:44 AM

The measure of progress of a people can be determined by how efficiently they store energy. So far, we aren't doing all that well.
carolfitz4438
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:28:52 AM

Cooperation will bring resultsvfaster
farmboyTN
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:25:04 AM

Maybe with more research they will get better with the batteries.
hokieburgh
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:20:55 AM

research rocks!!
pscamp
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:07:25 AM

Interesting
ovillaone
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 4:02:19 AM

in time, we'll get there
iFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:53:49 AM

battery technology is the key to many things, not just energy.....

        JUST ASK BOEING
djgunrunner
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:48:26 AM

For those with battery cars take heed. Do you know what the difference between a lithium ion battery in a 787 and a chevy volt is, about 35 to 50,000 feet.

[Edited by: djgunrunner at 1/25/2013 3:50:04 AM EST]
pricewar
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:38:50 AM

Another words, we need another Einstein
1970vette
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:19:02 AM

it will change everything
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