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bar1035 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:9,142 Points:1,296,270 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 2:40:55 AM Ignore bar1035 Report Abuse WASHINGTON – As 21st century technology strains to become ever faster, cleaner and cheaper, an invention from more than 200 years ago keeps holding it back. It's why electric cars aren't clogging the roads and why Boeing's new ultra-efficient 787 Dreamliners aren't flying high. And chances are you have this little invention next to you right now and probably have cursed it recently: the infernal battery. "We need to leapfrog the engineering of making of batteries," said Lawrence Berkeley National Lab battery scientist Vince Battaglia. "We've got to find the next big thing." But none of the 10 experts who talked to The Associated Press said they know what that big thing will be yet, or when it will come. "If you crack it ... it'll change the world," said Carnegie Mellon University mate

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WASHINGTON – As 21st century technology strains to become ever faster, cleaner and cheaper, an invention from more than 200 years ago keeps holding it back. It's why electric cars aren't clogging the roads and why Boeing's new ultra-efficient 787 Dreamliners aren't flying high.

And chances are you have this little invention next to you right now and probably have cursed it recently: the infernal battery.

"We need to leapfrog the engineering of making of batteries," said Lawrence Berkeley National Lab battery scientist Vince Battaglia. "We've got to find the next big thing."

But none of the 10 experts who talked to The Associated Press said they know what that big thing will be yet, or when it will come.

"If you crack it ... it'll change the world," said Carnegie Mellon University mate

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remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,953 Points:2,115,440 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 3:22:39 PM Ignore remay Report Abuse REALLY??? I didn't relate to THAT description! in·fer·nal (n-fûrnl) adj. 1. a. Of or relating to a lower world of the dead. b. Of or relating to hell: infernal punishments; infernal powers. 2. Fiendish; diabolical: infernal instruments of war. 3. Abominable; awful: the infernal racket of the jackhammers.
bston Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,810 Points:640,325 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 1:49:06 PM Ignore bston Report Abuse Interesting
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:14,874 Points:1,439,395 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 11:00:05 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse Does this mean that politics cannot defy physics?
jl1rp Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:1,805 Points:355,480 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 10:46:48 PM Ignore jl1rp Report Abuse Good read on this.
leemun Champion Author Utah Posts:5,523 Points:1,038,175 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 9:49:10 PM Ignore leemun Report Abuse Batteries work just great, provided you don't use them in anything bigger than an ipad.
ExplorerWA Champion Author Washington Posts:4,073 Points:795,300 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 9:32:01 PM Ignore ExplorerWA Report Abuse Batteries is one area that is lagging behind and needs improvement.
Van_Halen Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,844 Points:640,255 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:30:51 PM Ignore Van_Halen Report Abuse . There is other battery technology, I have seen it. There are two reasons you have not. One the government does not want the technology or certain chemicals to be available in the new batteries. Second, Duracell and Union Carbide would go broke if your battery lasted for 5 years of continuous use!
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,682 Points:536,095 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:13:03 PM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse And someone will be joining the Jobs, Gates, statosphere.
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:7,540 Points:1,785,400 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 12:14:00 PM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse Definitely. Battery technology is still far too primitive and costly.
eschroth442 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,069 Points:330,795 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 12:07:09 PM Ignore eschroth442 Report Abuse we can make energy just not store it efficiently
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,576 Points:480,635 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 10:20:55 AM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse Fuel cells are probably the answer.
jbhubbell Rookie Author Alabama Posts:83 Points:33,005 Joined:Jan 2013	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 10:04:11 AM Ignore jbhubbell Report Abuse Good article
MrGasKGB Veteran Author St. Louis Posts:390 Points:143,575 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:38:09 AM Ignore MrGasKGB Report Abuse You would think that someone would have improved batteries by now.
PTBpricer Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,481 Points:203,495 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:38:05 AM Ignore PTBpricer Report Abuse Go find that big (battery) thing!
the1roadhog Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,903 Points:2,053,955 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:24:38 AM Ignore the1roadhog Report Abuse I agree that the remedy or alternative for the basic battery will be a major breakthrough.
BigRedVTX All-Star Author Georgia Posts:861 Points:501,105 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:21:35 AM Ignore BigRedVTX Report Abuse MIT, Georgia Tech and others are working with materials far advanced from Lithium Ion. What amazes me is that A123 folded after getting a wonderful handout from our current administration. And the mini-manhattan project? How much? Wow! Give the money to these kids working on the programs and something will be done.
GingoutMD Champion Author Maryland Posts:3,495 Points:713,305 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 8:13:17 AM Ignore GingoutMD Report Abuse Energy storage is the next big technological leap we need to make. If we cold simply find a way to capture lightning in a bottle, we would all be happy campers.
sabre75 Champion Author Florida Posts:1,663 Points:340,395 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:57:27 AM Ignore sabre75 Report Abuse Don't stop looking.
bcline909 Veteran Author Virginia Posts:401 Points:80,170 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:46:46 AM Ignore bcline909 Report Abuse yep
gcalleja All-Star Author Miami Posts:904 Points:548,020 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:35:37 AM Ignore gcalleja Report Abuse How great that would be.
Rockyguitar Champion Author Tampa Posts:2,557 Points:1,200,820 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:26:25 AM Ignore Rockyguitar Report Abuse And spent LI and NiC batteries end up where?.............landfills!
el_fr Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:3,327 Points:742,750 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 7:07:32 AM Ignore el_fr Report Abuse It's out there. Find it
grandpadon28110 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:4,706 Points:1,140,360 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:54:37 AM Ignore grandpadon28110 Report Abuse Keep looking.
Yooperheart Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,405 Points:525,075 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:50:03 AM Ignore Yooperheart Report Abuse Dig deep into the Sci-fi realm. Those writers always give inspiration.
tractormantim Champion Author Knoxville Posts:1,532 Points:673,780 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:47:03 AM Ignore tractormantim Report Abuse The article says " One reason the battery is the slowpoke of the high-tech highway is that it has conflicting functions. Its primary job is to store energy. But it's also supposed to discharge power, lots of it, quickly. Those two jobs are at odds with each other. "If you want high storage, you can't get high power," said M. Stanley Whittingham, director of the Northeast Center for Chemical Energy Storage. "People are expecting more than what's possible."
bills299 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,356 Points:902,540 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:32:48 AM Ignore bills299 Report Abuse ok!
gbs1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,991 Points:740,650 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:31:25 AM Ignore gbs1 Report Abuse I agree, It's true.
Gas_Eyes Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,667 Points:642,910 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:25:21 AM Ignore Gas_Eyes Report Abuse Batteries need to be improved to make it cheaper lighter and carry more charge.
mandoid Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:7,302 Points:1,525,470 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:22:00 AM Ignore mandoid Report Abuse If you crack it ... it'll change the world - yep can't agree more
daytonabiker All-Star Author Florida Posts:903 Points:199,870 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 6:08:56 AM Ignore daytonabiker Report Abuse big oil holds back energy tech, just like all inventions in history
leeac Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,586 Points:431,955 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:50:24 AM Ignore leeac Report Abuse Batteries are getting better just not better enough. There will be a break through in energy storage. [Edited by: leeac at 1/25/2013 5:50:52 AM EST]
yardslave Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,544 Points:594,755 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:50:05 AM Ignore yardslave Report Abuse It's coming. (and it won't have an iPad dock)
George0446 Veteran Author Massachusetts Posts:496 Points:229,270 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:46:44 AM Ignore George0446 Report Abuse The measure of progress of a people can be determined by how efficiently they store energy. So far, we aren't doing all that well.
carolfitz4438 Sophomore Author New York Posts:248 Points:183,660 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:28:52 AM Ignore carolfitz4438 Report Abuse Cooperation will bring resultsvfaster
farmboyTN Champion Author Tennessee Posts:2,253 Points:447,380 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:25:04 AM Ignore farmboyTN Report Abuse Maybe with more research they will get better with the batteries.
hokieburgh Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,102 Points:462,450 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 5:20:55 AM Ignore hokieburgh Report Abuse research rocks!!
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ovillaone All-Star Author Dallas Posts:775 Points:176,480 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 4:02:19 AM Ignore ovillaone Report Abuse in time, we'll get there
iFueler Champion Author Durham Posts:64,328 Points:176,575 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:53:49 AM Ignore iFueler Report Abuse battery technology is the key to many things, not just energy..... JUST ASK BOEING
djgunrunner Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:10,087 Points:2,346,655 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:48:26 AM Ignore djgunrunner Report Abuse For those with battery cars take heed. Do you know what the difference between a lithium ion battery in a 787 and a chevy volt is, about 35 to 50,000 feet. [Edited by: djgunrunner at 1/25/2013 3:50:04 AM EST]
pricewar Champion Author Ogden Posts:1,930 Points:272,290 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:38:50 AM Ignore pricewar Report Abuse Another words, we need another Einstein
1970vette Veteran Author Nevada Posts:408 Points:308,810 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 3:19:02 AM Ignore 1970vette Report Abuse it will change everything