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xgojim

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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:07:24 AM

Some of the biggest news at the auto show is hidden under the hood. Here are four technologies and features that could have far-reaching ramifications.
Jeep diesel: Diesel engines provide more power and use less fuel than their gasoline counterparts, reducing fuel consumption as much as 30%. The Fiat 3.0-liter V6 diesel in the 2014 Grand Cherokee SUV produces more torque than the Jeep's legendary Hemi 5.7-liter V8. It'll be the first Grand Cherokee to top 30 mpg.
ZF 8-speed transmission: If car or truck at the show is fast, powerful and fuel-efficient, there's a good chance some of the credit goes to German transmission specialist ZF. ZF's eight-speed automatic gearbox is in the Ram 1500 pickup, Maserati Quattroporte luxury sedan, Jaguar F-type roadster and BMW 3-series sport sedan, to...
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Bearcat500
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 7:49:17 AM

OK
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 12:32:20 AM

8-speed transmission? How many gears does a car need?
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BobBG
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 5:45:57 PM

It will be interesting to see how long It will take for some of these technologies to make into cars that most of us can afford.
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 2:03:53 PM

expensive stuff
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335d1
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:10:15 AM

Go diesel!
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andy1024
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:45:43 PM

All are good things to have.
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txkrb
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:12:09 PM

If you get 30% (which I doubt) better mileage with a diesel but pay 20% for the fuel that is less than 9% overall savings
Diesel engines cost more, and cost more to repair (they do generally last longer) but gasoline engines routinely last 120,000 plus miles and few people keep them longer than that
I do not think 30 increased mileage is accurate, which means savings would be even less
So with all the facts don't buy a diesel because you think it will save you money, buy what you want to drive & like
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YumaFellow
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:07:11 PM

Wheel shutters? That is an interesting concept.
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schatzila
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:45:57 PM

I only love the concepts at these shows.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:38:04 PM

The auto show is always entertaining
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stefanwaggoner
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:20:42 PM

It's about time
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jl1rp
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:56:02 PM

No steer-by-wire for me.
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jjjleblanc
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:53:33 PM

Interesting
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JDchefF
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:41:08 PM

30 mpg in a Jeep! That is double what I get in my 95 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2 V8, I get 15.1 mpg.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:27:05 PM

With diesel costing about 20% -25% more than gas in a lot of places diesel mileage needs to be that much better than gas to equal out and a diesel option costs more than gas engine.
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ziyulu
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:34:13 PM

I would like a Toyota Camry. I would like to add a diesel engine to it. Is that possible?
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lippoe_sokan
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:31:54 PM

Higher diesel costs may offset the fuel efficiency, however.
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dvrm9
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:25:51 PM

All very interesting and expensive I am sure.
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kag2010
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:15:40 PM

Hmmm,
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:58:01 PM

Higher mpg is always good.
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sagnat
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:21:32 PM

Hmmm, maybe they should have compared the VW diesel to the Jeep. My 2.0L turbo charged 2.0L VW diesel nets better than 40 MPG regularly.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:08:10 PM

More efficient powertrains are the key ingredient in any vehicle.
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vjs3
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:04:32 PM

If only I could get my Jeeps above 30mpg.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:57:09 AM

Watch out Ford and GM, Jeep/Chrysler is smart and going to start making diesel engines really available. I have heard some really good things about the Fiat diesel engine, very popular in Europe.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:54:16 AM

The wheel shutters are a pretty cool concept.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:13:10 AM

for me, heated seats are the best thing ever
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:02:38 AM

Perhaps I'll ask about those when Congress gets done messing us over and I see just how little discretionary income I really have.
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billbillON
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:50:42 AM

wow
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bcline909
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:47:41 AM

prob not
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md11capt
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:46:50 AM

Is steer by wire really necessary?
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SUPERSTEVIEO
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:38:31 AM

good to see this being delevoped in more vehicles...
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Buckeyee
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:19:53 AM

Ok.
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:16:39 AM

I'd still have my Jeeps if they had been diesels. 16-17 mpg in real life-- manual or automatic, in 2 wheel drive or 4 wheel drive--really was a huge pain.
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derKraut
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:13:52 AM

Not sure about 'wheel shutters' but certainly look forward to more SUV makers using Diesels.
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Hawg1408
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:10:50 AM

Interesting
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playtimeCLE
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:10:00 AM

It would be interesting to see a diesel in a wrangler.
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PTBpricer
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:07:33 AM

Based on March contracts for corn and ethanol, producers are losing 26 cents on each gallon of the fuel made.

Even the producers don't like ethanol.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:03:40 AM

Thanks but no thanks.
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BBopp
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:02:05 AM

Well ok then.
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highdesertman
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:59:42 AM

And none of them rely on batteries to produce greater efficiency and better mileage. A step in the right direction.
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PTBpricer
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:55:20 AM

Ok, I'll keep them in mind, if I ever buy a new vehicle.
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doeslayersr
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:39:58 AM

No thanks, just more complexity to up the initial cost of purchase and well as maintenance and repair.
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BigTruc
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:29:54 AM

Diesels are great!!
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Mark8601
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:15:49 AM

A diesel/electric hybred would be a great feature.
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xgojim
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:09:42 AM

Don't say the auto industry isn't a prime mover in the use of technology!! And it's not technology for the sake of technology, it's technology that makes everything work better and more efficiently.
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