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xgojim All-Star Author Michigan Posts:524 Points:452,520 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:07:24 AM Ignore xgojim Report Abuse Some of the biggest news at the auto show is hidden under the hood. Here are four technologies and features that could have far-reaching ramifications. Jeep diesel: Diesel engines provide more power and use less fuel than their gasoline counterparts, reducing fuel consumption as much as 30%. The Fiat 3.0-liter V6 diesel in the 2014 Grand Cherokee SUV produces more torque than the Jeep's legendary Hemi 5.7-liter V8. It'll be the first Grand Cherokee to top 30 mpg. ZF 8-speed transmission: If car or truck at the show is fast, powerful and fuel-efficient, there's a good chance some of the credit goes to German transmission specialist ZF. ZF's eight-speed automatic gearbox is in the Ram 1500 pickup, Maserati Quattroporte luxury sedan, Jaguar F-type roadster and BMW 3-series sport sedan, to... Visit Detroit Free Press for full article

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Some of the biggest news at the auto show is hidden under the hood. Here are four technologies and features that could have far-reaching ramifications.
Jeep diesel: Diesel engines provide more power and use less fuel than their gasoline counterparts, reducing fuel consumption as much as 30%. The Fiat 3.0-liter V6 diesel in the 2014 Grand Cherokee SUV produces more torque than the Jeep's legendary Hemi 5.7-liter V8. It'll be the first Grand Cherokee to top 30 mpg.
ZF 8-speed transmission: If car or truck at the show is fast, powerful and fuel-efficient, there's a good chance some of the credit goes to German transmission specialist ZF. ZF's eight-speed automatic gearbox is in the Ram 1500 pickup, Maserati Quattroporte luxury sedan, Jaguar F-type roadster and BMW 3-series sport sedan, to...
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Bearcat500 Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,731 Points:1,632,250 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 7:49:17 AM Ignore Bearcat500 Report Abuse OK
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:7,272 Points:1,742,905 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 12:32:20 AM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse 8-speed transmission? How many gears does a car need?
BobBG All-Star Author Albany Posts:822 Points:811,725 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 5:45:57 PM Ignore BobBG Report Abuse It will be interesting to see how long It will take for some of these technologies to make into cars that most of us can afford.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,555 Points:749,020 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 2:03:53 PM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse expensive stuff
335d1 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,386 Points:760,020 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:10:15 AM Ignore 335d1 Report Abuse Go diesel!
andy1024 Champion Author Allentown Posts:1,707 Points:449,125 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:45:43 PM Ignore andy1024 Report Abuse All are good things to have.
txkrb Champion Author Texas Posts:1,563 Points:639,665 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:12:09 PM Ignore txkrb Report Abuse If you get 30% (which I doubt) better mileage with a diesel but pay 20% for the fuel that is less than 9% overall savings Diesel engines cost more, and cost more to repair (they do generally last longer) but gasoline engines routinely last 120,000 plus miles and few people keep them longer than that I do not think 30 increased mileage is accurate, which means savings would be even less So with all the facts don't buy a diesel because you think it will save you money, buy what you want to drive & like
YumaFellow Champion Author Arizona Posts:1,295 Points:623,570 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:07:11 PM Ignore YumaFellow Report Abuse Wheel shutters? That is an interesting concept.
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,954 Points:1,017,595 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:45:57 PM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse I only love the concepts at these shows.
YaBassa Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,435 Points:518,075 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:38:04 PM Ignore YaBassa Report Abuse The auto show is always entertaining
stefanwaggoner All-Star Author Bakersfield Posts:562 Points:151,315 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:20:42 PM Ignore stefanwaggoner Report Abuse It's about time
jl1rp Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:1,822 Points:359,205 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:56:02 PM Ignore jl1rp Report Abuse No steer-by-wire for me.
jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:5,882 Points:1,520,280 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:53:33 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse Interesting
JDchefF Champion Author Lancaster Posts:1,055 Points:230,220 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:41:08 PM Ignore JDchefF Report Abuse 30 mpg in a Jeep! That is double what I get in my 95 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.2 V8, I get 15.1 mpg.
tnfran Champion Author Arizona Posts:4,388 Points:844,140 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:27:05 PM Ignore tnfran Report Abuse With diesel costing about 20% -25% more than gas in a lot of places diesel mileage needs to be that much better than gas to equal out and a diesel option costs more than gas engine.
ziyulu Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:8,504 Points:1,603,850 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:34:13 PM Ignore ziyulu Report Abuse I would like a Toyota Camry. I would like to add a diesel engine to it. Is that possible?
lippoe_sokan All-Star Author Provo Posts:627 Points:183,375 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:31:54 PM Ignore lippoe_sokan Report Abuse Higher diesel costs may offset the fuel efficiency, however.
dvrm9 Sophomore Author Alberta Posts:147 Points:123,145 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:25:51 PM Ignore dvrm9 Report Abuse All very interesting and expensive I am sure.
kag2010 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:5,264 Points:1,021,710 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:15:40 PM Ignore kag2010 Report Abuse Hmmm,
Zing20 All-Star Author Fresno Posts:700 Points:173,320 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:58:01 PM Ignore Zing20 Report Abuse Higher mpg is always good.
sagnat Champion Author Riverside Posts:1,164 Points:309,460 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:21:32 PM Ignore sagnat Report Abuse Hmmm, maybe they should have compared the VW diesel to the Jeep. My 2.0L turbo charged 2.0L VW diesel nets better than 40 MPG regularly.
gbs1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:2,006 Points:743,575 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:08:10 PM Ignore gbs1 Report Abuse More efficient powertrains are the key ingredient in any vehicle.
vjs3 Champion Author Denver Posts:2,547 Points:650,890 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:04:32 PM Ignore vjs3 Report Abuse If only I could get my Jeeps above 30mpg.
RBob Champion Author Portland Posts:3,379 Points:2,348,850 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:57:09 AM Ignore RBob Report Abuse Watch out Ford and GM, Jeep/Chrysler is smart and going to start making diesel engines really available. I have heard some really good things about the Fiat diesel engine, very popular in Europe.
CityCouponer All-Star Author New Orleans Posts:943 Points:203,080 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:54:16 AM Ignore CityCouponer Report Abuse The wheel shutters are a pretty cool concept.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,271 Points:2,372,345 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:13:10 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse for me, heated seats are the best thing ever
Discovery02 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,570 Points:311,640 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:02:38 AM Ignore Discovery02 Report Abuse Perhaps I'll ask about those when Congress gets done messing us over and I see just how little discretionary income I really have.
billbillON Sophomore Author Ottawa Posts:108 Points:67,715 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:50:42 AM Ignore billbillON Report Abuse wow
bcline909 Veteran Author Virginia Posts:401 Points:80,170 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:47:41 AM Ignore bcline909 Report Abuse prob not
md11capt Champion Author Denver Posts:3,558 Points:711,480 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:46:50 AM Ignore md11capt Report Abuse Is steer by wire really necessary?
SUPERSTEVIEO Champion Author Quebec Posts:3,523 Points:787,115 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:38:31 AM Ignore SUPERSTEVIEO Report Abuse good to see this being delevoped in more vehicles...
Buckeyee Champion Author Maine Posts:4,611 Points:900,600 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:19:53 AM Ignore Buckeyee Report Abuse Ok.
orphancarguyPE Champion Author PEI Posts:3,853 Points:735,965 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:16:39 AM Ignore orphancarguyPE Report Abuse I'd still have my Jeeps if they had been diesels. 16-17 mpg in real life-- manual or automatic, in 2 wheel drive or 4 wheel drive--really was a huge pain.
derKraut Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,095 Points:1,228,400 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:13:52 AM Ignore derKraut Report Abuse Not sure about 'wheel shutters' but certainly look forward to more SUV makers using Diesels.
Hawg1408 Veteran Author Alberta Posts:447 Points:642,040 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:10:50 AM Ignore Hawg1408 Report Abuse Interesting
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:8,565 Points:1,545,350 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:10:00 AM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse It would be interesting to see a diesel in a wrangler.
PTBpricer Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,539 Points:207,170 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:07:33 AM Ignore PTBpricer Report Abuse Based on March contracts for corn and ethanol, producers are losing 26 cents on each gallon of the fuel made. Even the producers don't like ethanol.
OTISFL Champion Author Pensacola Posts:4,615 Points:866,790 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:03:40 AM Ignore OTISFL Report Abuse Thanks but no thanks.
BBopp Champion Author Dayton Posts:6,844 Points:1,939,430 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:02:05 AM Ignore BBopp Report Abuse Well ok then.
highdesertman Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:2,484 Points:1,718,080 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:59:42 AM Ignore highdesertman Report Abuse And none of them rely on batteries to produce greater efficiency and better mileage. A step in the right direction.
PTBpricer Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,539 Points:207,170 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:55:20 AM Ignore PTBpricer Report Abuse Ok, I'll keep them in mind, if I ever buy a new vehicle.
doeslayersr Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,121 Points:872,980 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:39:58 AM Ignore doeslayersr Report Abuse No thanks, just more complexity to up the initial cost of purchase and well as maintenance and repair.
BigTruc All-Star Author Memphis Posts:962 Points:782,390 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:29:54 AM Ignore BigTruc Report Abuse Diesels are great!!
Mark8601 All-Star Author Bakersfield Posts:913 Points:380,865 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:15:49 AM Ignore Mark8601 Report Abuse A diesel/electric hybred would be a great feature.
xgojim All-Star Author Michigan Posts:524 Points:452,520 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:09:42 AM Ignore xgojim Report Abuse Don't say the auto industry isn't a prime mover in the use of technology!! And it's not technology for the sake of technology, it's technology that makes everything work better and more efficiently.