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aservant Champion Author California Posts:14,215 Points:1,386,965 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:16:08 AM Ignore aservant Report Abuse We’ve repeatedly heard mumblings that ethanol fuels are causing issues in older vehicles, boats and gas powered equipment. Ethanol has been in gasoline for years, but the percentage is rising, and the watchdogs at SEMA are concerned about it. According to a recent article in SEMA News, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit threw out a lawsuit challenging the EPA’s approval of E15 (15% ethanol) for ’01 and newer cars and trucks. “The Court’s decision is disappointing for the millions of motorists who own older cars or those with high-performance specialty parts,” said Steve McDonald, SEMA vice president of government affairs. “These vehicles and parts are threatened with destruction by E15’s chemical properties. The EPA acknowledged the threat but, beyond minimal Visit Hot Rod for full article

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We’ve repeatedly heard mumblings that ethanol fuels are causing issues in older vehicles, boats and gas powered equipment. Ethanol has been in gasoline for years, but the percentage is rising, and the watchdogs at SEMA are concerned about it. According to a recent article in SEMA News, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit threw out a lawsuit challenging the EPA’s approval of E15 (15% ethanol) for ’01 and newer cars and trucks.

“The Court’s decision is disappointing for the millions of motorists who own older cars or those with high-performance specialty parts,” said Steve McDonald, SEMA vice president of government affairs. “These vehicles and parts are threatened with destruction by E15’s chemical properties. The EPA acknowledged the threat but, beyond minimal
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Banjoe Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:4,258 Points:615,240 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 7:03:47 AM Ignore Banjoe Report Abuse eomc17 - great comment.
dabayer Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,753 Points:624,055 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 3:37:02 PM Ignore dabayer Report Abuse Simple statement: NO FOOD FOR FUEL! E15 is just as wrong as E10 is. Increases cost and provides 10-15% less mpg.
blupupher Champion Author Houston Posts:3,555 Points:749,020 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 2:05:24 PM Ignore blupupher Report Abuse e-15 is just bad. There is no savings for the consumer and no vehicles are designed for it except for e-85 vehicles. I will avoid e-15 at all cost.
jbrad4 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:801 Points:477,295 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:59:56 AM Ignore jbrad4 Report Abuse Corn is for food, not for ethanol.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:6,772 Points:1,866,035 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:31:47 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse BAN ETHANOL !!!!!
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:7,560 Points:1,788,550 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:07:47 AM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse Yes, no more ethanol.
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,622 Points:1,144,110 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:56:05 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Ban ethanol.
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:7,495 Points:1,558,725 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:43:02 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse They shouldn't sell E-15 period.
BlueVanGroup Champion Author Colorado Posts:7,209 Points:1,529,470 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:24:31 PM Ignore BlueVanGroup Report Abuse Why would progressive politicians allow reality to get in the way of their pie-in-the-sky vision?
tankumo Veteran Author Vancouver Posts:398 Points:69,905 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:16:37 PM Ignore tankumo Report Abuse Switch compressive natural gas or diesel to get better MPG.
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:9,526 Points:1,832,590 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:43:18 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Years ago out Government listen to the people, Today they don't care what we say. We don't have a say.
eomc17 Champion Author Tucson Posts:1,822 Points:134,145 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 6:43:59 PM Ignore eomc17 Report Abuse Our idiot government has no clue that many millions of us rely on our clunkers to get around and do not have the money or credit to buy overpriced hybrids, electric cars, or so called fuel efficient cars.
Tekkersmom57 Champion Author Syracuse Posts:1,884 Points:702,165 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 6:25:23 PM Ignore Tekkersmom57 Report Abuse ENOUGH with the E15 being shoved down our throats. I don't want it, most on this site don't want it....WHY does the government march on when there is so much objection. Whose pocket are they in? The EPA needs to clean house and get some new clear opinions.
werich44 Champion Author California Posts:1,862 Points:469,930 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:59:49 PM Ignore werich44 Report Abuse Rest assured, E15 will be around for the next four years.
crep1291 Champion Author Ottawa Posts:2,583 Points:481,250 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:32:40 PM Ignore crep1291 Report Abuse As long as I have a choice of fuels, I don't mind the sale of E15 or E85.
qwerty17 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,660 Points:1,118,875 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:41:52 PM Ignore qwerty17 Report Abuse plan better.
bwatchingu Champion Author Arkansas Posts:1,745 Points:602,495 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:53:57 PM Ignore bwatchingu Report Abuse Ban all ethanol!
Taxrefugee Champion Author Arizona Posts:1,407 Points:387,970 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:23:31 PM Ignore Taxrefugee Report Abuse Full and fair disclosure, then let the buyer decide.
Skunk63 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,559 Points:559,310 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:55:32 PM Ignore Skunk63 Report Abuse Ethanol is crap.
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:610,450 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:52:22 PM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse Not in my gas tanks!
Chas58 All-Star Author Detroit Posts:971 Points:285,530 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:19:49 AM Ignore Chas58 Report Abuse It's hard to figure EPA out. They want higher MPG and then want to mandate a fuel that gets lower MPG?
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,561 Points:1,919,985 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:17:36 AM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse No food for fuel! Ban blended ethanol! Good idea, bad execution!
LongPlay Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:4,248 Points:1,241,150 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:15:47 AM Ignore LongPlay Report Abuse Stupid!! Get rid of Ethanol!!
Ticobird Champion Author Huntsville Posts:3,236 Points:1,116,990 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:11:03 AM Ignore Ticobird Report Abuse Hopefully this one instance of throwing out the ethanol lawsuit will just strengthen the argument of the following lawsuits. I believe the consumer will ultimately win this but it may take a while. The EPA has seriously overstepped their regulatory authority of the environment to side with self/special interest groups in the excessive use of fuel ethanol not needed to control air pollution. I believe that E5 is all that the EPA should be able to regulate as far as air pollution is concerned. For those GasBuddys who may not know about the basis of using ethanol in fuel it was substituted as a replacement oxygenator for MTBE when MTBE was found in groundwater due to leaking fuel tanks. MTBE and ethanol are both used as octane boosters for their anti-knocking properties as well. MTBE is classified as a human carcinogen so there was cause for action.
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:9,677 Points:2,620,605 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:10:26 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse The people making decision know noting about mechanics or the way vehicles are put together, THAT IS A FACT. They have been told many times that ethanol is corrosive to Aluminum, plastic and rubber. So now they want to put more aluminum in new vehicles to make the lighter...?? Where is the intelligence in that..
TRAIN RIDER Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:9,087 Points:2,758,795 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:58:28 AM Ignore TRAIN RIDER Report Abuse Our congressional leaders are the one who are mandating this. Vote them out if you don't like this.
BossPal All-Star Author Illinois Posts:547 Points:240,560 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:57:29 AM Ignore BossPal Report Abuse Its part of the master plan our government supports with the subsidies to the corn growers, the auto manufacturers are silently smiling... their automobiles wont last as long hence you have to buy a new one and those americans that maintained their autos for as long as they can would have to pay more to maitain if not forced to have to buy new sooner. so its win win for the government and business it keeps the economy going right?
MacDad614 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,034 Points:1,177,700 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:56:12 AM Ignore MacDad614 Report Abuse RAE said "This a deliberate attack on those who can not afford new cars or even late model cars. The older vehicles can't tolerate E15. Another reason Obama hates the middle class and poor." Tin-foil hat and windows covered with aluminum foil?
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:9,077 Points:1,972,915 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:53:30 AM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse I am forced to use the E-10 mandated by Michigan law. Enough is ENOUGH!
91_Metro_Man Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,832 Points:1,570,410 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:29:32 AM Ignore 91_Metro_Man Report Abuse Ethanol is better in a glass with ice then in the tank.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,054 Points:2,347,460 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:29:10 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse No Halt on Planned E15 Gas Sales? NO E-15! NO E-10! No Fuel from Food! Only straight, 100% pure, E-0 non blended gasoline is 'A Good Thing!' Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! XII/XXII/MMXII! - The Day After......
pper Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:3,089 Points:670,845 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:28:49 AM Ignore pper Report Abuse Create repair jobs by causing our cars to malfunction.
2khawk Champion Author Iowa Posts:5,265 Points:929,000 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:28:24 AM Ignore 2khawk Report Abuse As long as the EPA plans on fixing Americans' broken cars.
FogCitySpotter Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,493 Points:522,400 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:27:50 AM Ignore FogCitySpotter Report Abuse Ok
The3rd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:2,871 Points:828,210 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:26:22 AM Ignore The3rd Report Abuse Ethanol has eaten the fuel lines and diaphragms in more than one piece of my lawn equipment.
Tsunamiron Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,434 Points:558,800 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:26:15 AM Ignore Tsunamiron Report Abuse Ethanol is great for the repair shops. Nobody else.
slayur Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,533 Points:1,218,270 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:25:26 AM Ignore slayur Report Abuse I won't use it
Diesel_Ram Champion Author Dallas Posts:6,507 Points:1,519,435 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:25:14 AM Ignore Diesel_Ram Report Abuse Ethanol is bad any way you look at it!!!
sivart Champion Author Arkansas Posts:18,232 Points:3,071,935 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:25:03 AM Ignore sivart Report Abuse NO, NO, NO TO ETHANOL!!!!!
scu227 Champion Author New Haven Posts:4,157 Points:772,855 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:24:36 AM Ignore scu227 Report Abuse Now the grocery prices will skyrocket even further than they have already.
bell05 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,260 Points:1,877,585 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:24:29 AM Ignore bell05 Report Abuse Since Obummer the liar, the good guys can't seem win at any thing.
infinititom All-Star Author Dallas Posts:999 Points:518,355 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:23:31 AM Ignore infinititom Report Abuse Could be a boon for auto repair shops replacing damaged engines.
ARCO Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:2,353 Points:2,378,345 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:23:27 AM Ignore ARCO Report Abuse THIS IS GARBAGE
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:6,079 Points:1,671,275 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:23:21 AM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse I'm not going to buy it.
fisherMI Veteran Author Michigan Posts:264 Points:22,380 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:23:17 AM Ignore fisherMI Report Abuse E15 is good for cars but from what I know it is bad for the marine industry. Maybe there should a refined or better blend added to the mix
Wolfwings Champion Author Delaware Posts:8,745 Points:1,777,440 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:22:58 AM Ignore Wolfwings Report Abuse If it is forced on me, I'll stop driving altogether. I wonder how maNY BUSSES THE GUMMINT CAN BUY... [Edited by: Wolfwings at 1/19/2013 10:23:46 AM EST]
Tnerbeel Champion Author Houston Posts:8,830 Points:1,749,810 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:22:45 AM Ignore Tnerbeel Report Abuse Yet another EPA over reach. This department is becoming the Gestapo of the Obama administration.
Hangnail309 Champion Author Manitoba Posts:6,029 Points:1,678,155 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:22:30 AM Ignore Hangnail309 Report Abuse We need to get rid of ethanol in fuel.
Hi1 Champion Author Ontario Posts:4,860 Points:1,725,585 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:21:31 AM Ignore Hi1 Report Abuse I do not think i will ever believe in ethanol.
LuthierKS Champion Author Wichita Posts:3,752 Points:730,905 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:19:34 AM Ignore LuthierKS Report Abuse The stupidity goes on and on and on . . .