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aservant
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:16:08 AM

We’ve repeatedly heard mumblings that ethanol fuels are causing issues in older vehicles, boats and gas powered equipment. Ethanol has been in gasoline for years, but the percentage is rising, and the watchdogs at SEMA are concerned about it. According to a recent article in SEMA News, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit threw out a lawsuit challenging the EPA’s approval of E15 (15% ethanol) for ’01 and newer cars and trucks.

“The Court’s decision is disappointing for the millions of motorists who own older cars or those with high-performance specialty parts,” said Steve McDonald, SEMA vice president of government affairs. “These vehicles and parts are threatened with destruction by E15’s chemical properties. The EPA acknowledged the threat but, beyond minimal
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Banjoe
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 7:03:47 AM

eomc17 - great comment.
dabayer
Champion Author New Hampshire

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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 3:37:02 PM

Simple statement: NO FOOD FOR FUEL!

E15 is just as wrong as E10 is. Increases cost and provides 10-15% less mpg.
blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 2:05:24 PM

e-15 is just bad.
There is no savings for the consumer and no vehicles are designed for it except for e-85 vehicles.
I will avoid e-15 at all cost.
jbrad4
All-Star Author Dallas

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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:59:56 AM

Corn is for food, not for ethanol.
Amplion
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:31:47 AM

BAN ETHANOL !!!!!
Night Owl
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:07:47 AM

Yes, no more ethanol.
NedW
Champion Author Indianapolis

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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:56:05 PM

Ban ethanol.
alterman156
Champion Author New York

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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:43:02 PM

They shouldn't sell E-15 period.
BlueVanGroup
Champion Author Fort Collins

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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:24:31 PM


Why would progressive politicians allow reality to get in the way of their pie-in-the-sky vision?
tankumo
All-Star Author Vancouver

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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:16:37 PM

Switch compressive natural gas or diesel to get better MPG.

PathfinderSC
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:43:18 PM

Years ago out Government listen to the people,
Today they don't care what we say. We don't have a say.
eomc17
Champion Author Tucson

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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 6:43:59 PM

Our idiot government has no clue that many millions of us rely on our clunkers to get around and do not have the money or credit to buy overpriced hybrids, electric cars, or so called fuel efficient cars.
Tekkersmom57
Champion Author Syracuse

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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 6:25:23 PM

ENOUGH with the E15 being shoved down our throats. I don't want it, most on this site don't want it....WHY does the government march on when there is so much objection. Whose pocket are they in? The EPA needs to clean house and get some new clear opinions.
werich44
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:59:49 PM

Rest assured, E15 will be around for the next four years.
crep1291
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:32:40 PM

As long as I have a choice of fuels, I don't mind the sale of E15 or E85.
qwerty17
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:41:52 PM

plan better.
bwatchingu
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:53:57 PM

Ban all ethanol!
Taxrefugee
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:23:31 PM

Full and fair disclosure, then let the buyer decide.
Skunk63
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:55:32 PM

Ethanol is crap.
CVA19
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:52:22 PM

Not in my gas tanks!
Chas58
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:19:49 AM

It's hard to figure EPA out. They want higher MPG and then want to mandate a fuel that gets lower MPG?
sydb7
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:17:36 AM

No food for fuel! Ban blended ethanol! Good idea, bad execution!
LongPlay
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:15:47 AM

Stupid!! Get rid of Ethanol!!
Ticobird
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:11:03 AM

Hopefully this one instance of throwing out the ethanol lawsuit will just strengthen the argument of the following lawsuits. I believe the consumer will ultimately win this but it may take a while. The EPA has seriously overstepped their regulatory authority of the environment to side with self/special interest groups in the excessive use of fuel ethanol not needed to control air pollution. I believe that E5 is all that the EPA should be able to regulate as far as air pollution is concerned. For those GasBuddys who may not know about the basis of using ethanol in fuel it was substituted as a replacement oxygenator for MTBE when MTBE was found in groundwater due to leaking fuel tanks. MTBE and ethanol are both used as octane boosters for their anti-knocking properties as well. MTBE is classified as a human carcinogen so there was cause for action.
Don20
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:10:26 AM

The people making decision know noting about mechanics or the way vehicles are put together, THAT IS A FACT. They have been told many times that ethanol is corrosive to Aluminum, plastic and rubber. So now they want to put more aluminum in new vehicles to make the lighter...?? Where is the intelligence in that..
TRAIN RIDER
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:58:28 AM

Our congressional leaders are the one who are mandating this. Vote them out if you don't like this.
BossPal
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:57:29 AM

Its part of the master plan our government supports with the subsidies to the corn growers, the auto manufacturers are silently smiling... their automobiles wont last as long hence you have to buy a new one and those americans that maintained their autos for as long as they can would have to pay more to maitain if not forced to have to buy new sooner. so its win win for the government and business it keeps the economy going right?
MacDad614
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:56:12 AM

RAE said "This a deliberate attack on those who can not afford new cars or even late model cars. The older vehicles can't tolerate E15.

Another reason Obama hates the middle class and poor."

Tin-foil hat and windows covered with aluminum foil?
Ken2OD
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:53:30 AM

I am forced to use the E-10 mandated by Michigan law. Enough is ENOUGH!
91_Metro_Man
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:29:32 AM

Ethanol is better in a glass with ice then in the tank.
tomok
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:29:10 AM

No Halt on Planned E15 Gas Sales?
NO E-15! NO E-10! No Fuel from Food!
Only straight, 100% pure, E-0 non blended gasoline is 'A Good Thing!'
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
XII/XXII/MMXII! - The Day After......
pper
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:28:49 AM

Create repair jobs by causing our cars to malfunction.
2khawk
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:28:24 AM

As long as the EPA plans on fixing Americans' broken cars.
FogCitySpotter
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:27:50 AM

Ok
The3rd
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:26:22 AM

Ethanol has eaten the fuel lines and diaphragms in more than one piece of my lawn equipment.
Tsunamiron
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:26:15 AM

Ethanol is great for the repair shops. Nobody else.
slayur
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:25:26 AM

I won't use it
Diesel_Ram
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:25:14 AM

Ethanol is bad any way you look at it!!!
sivart
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:25:03 AM

NO, NO, NO TO ETHANOL!!!!!
scu227
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:24:36 AM

Now the grocery prices will skyrocket even further than they have already.
bell05
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:24:29 AM

Since Obummer the liar, the good guys can't seem win at any thing.
infinititom
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:23:31 AM

Could be a boon for auto repair shops replacing damaged engines.
ARCO
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:23:27 AM

THIS IS GARBAGE
my2002m
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:23:21 AM

I'm not going to buy it.
fisherMI
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:23:17 AM

E15 is good for cars but from what I know it is bad for the marine industry.
Maybe there should a refined or better blend added to the mix
Wolfwings
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:22:58 AM

If it is forced on me, I'll stop driving altogether.

I wonder how maNY BUSSES THE GUMMINT CAN BUY...

[Edited by: Wolfwings at 1/19/2013 10:23:46 AM EST]
Tnerbeel
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:22:45 AM

Yet another EPA over reach. This department is becoming the Gestapo of the Obama administration.
Hangnail309
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:22:30 AM

We need to get rid of ethanol in fuel.
Hi1
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:21:31 AM

I do not think i will ever believe in ethanol.
LuthierKS
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:19:34 AM

The stupidity goes on and on and on . . .
chevellefan
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:19:17 AM

good read
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