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aservant

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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:12:17 AM

Plug-in electric cars get a lot of press, perhaps more than their current sales might warrant.

It's clear to industry analysts that the proportion of plug-ins among new cars produced will grow, slowly, over the coming years and decades.

But don't count the gasoline engine out just yet.

The rate of electric cars migrating into the fleet--not to mention projections for diesel adoption into the U.S.--are the topic of much debate.

But for the next decade or more, the vast majority of the world's auto production will continue to have gasoline engines.

In Europe, roughly half of all new passenger cars are sold with diesel engines--but it's the only major market in the world where that's the case.
Natural gas may represent 1 or 2 percent of total production as well, but heavily
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dabayer
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 3:39:58 PM

"... In Europe, roughly half of all new passenger cars are sold with diesel engines ..."

Does Europe know something we don't, or is it that the big 3 don't what us to know???
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listerone
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 2:25:49 PM

Diesel is the way to go.
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 2:06:07 PM

Gasoline is still the king and will be for quite some time.
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TruthMatters
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:30:29 AM

Won't be long!
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jrs4125
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:20:25 AM

As it takes years for new technologies to work the bugs out. The US needs to be going in the direction of alternative fuels for our vehicles. History will repeat itself otherwise.
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bston
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 10:07:34 AM

Very happy with our Camry hybrid, even after owning it over 5 years now & 102K miles!
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kkimes
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:17:39 AM

"Hybrids and electric cars are a long way from being practical."

That, of course, isn't true. My 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid is very practical, can do anything an ICE car can do, and still gets 40mpg average in all kinds of driving. I think that most people don't really look at the numbers, they just make rash statements.

My break even point will be 3 to 5 years depending on how many miles I put on each year and I plan to keep the car 15 years (if I last that long). So people can make all the wild statements they want, but that doesn't make them true.
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:56:47 PM

From the article: "In Europe, roughly half of all new passenger cars are sold with diesel engines--but it's the only major market in the world where that's the case."

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Latin America might not be considered a "major market", but Brasil (I heard) subsidizes diesel fuel, hence much more diesel vehicles there. Also I sold a diesel truck to a dealer a while back which was slated for shipment to Central America.
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mpg611
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:49:47 PM

Gas engines are going to stay around for a very long time. Hybrids and electric cars are a long way from being practical.
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VomVom
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 7:08:17 PM

The initial costs of hybrids and EVs are still too high. Payout takes too long. On top of that EVs have a range problem as well as a problem with the availability of charging infrastructure. With the continued improvement of the gas engines, it will be the engine of choice for a very long time.
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leemun
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 6:59:46 PM

Not hybrids, and especially not EVs can cut the mustard. What we need is a truly better alternative, not just something pushed on the public through mass indoctrination and scare tactics.
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johton
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:17:53 PM

You just can't drive far enough on a plug-in.
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crep1291
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:28:27 PM

The market share of future vehicles is heavily dependent on the price of fuel. Oil is going up, and it seems natural gas (and hydrogen since most hydrogen is obtained from natural gas at the moment) will soon go up as well.
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Norm10
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:18:40 AM

And this is a surprise to someone?
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rjojo40
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:05:01 AM

pretentiousness people need to be seen and look cool. sic.
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peabeax55
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:15:01 AM

Lets see. Chevy Volt driving range = 30 miles. Recharge needs 2-6 hours IF you can find it.
Tesla driving range = 220 miles. Recharge 6-8 hours IF you can find it.

Gasoline automobile driving range 150-500. "Recharge" at the pump needs 5 minutes. Ten if you have to leak and get coffee. Locations everywhere.
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MrDeath666
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:01:13 AM

Normal people buy normal cars.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:46:27 AM

i guess folks buy whats best for them
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skippypa
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:23:10 AM

Time will tell
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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:02:14 AM

Just a matter of time
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jcurley
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:55:29 AM

The good news is that gasoline-powered cars will be getting much better mileage in 5-10 years.

Natural gas is still my preference, but we have to work out the safety and equipment cost issues.
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SBlouch
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:46:48 AM

Of course, the gas engine cars thrive because they cost less then the hybrid and electric car. When the price for the hybrid and electric car decreases more, then more people will buy them.
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cheapertvs
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:46:20 AM

We will see a major rise in the numbers of CNG and LNG vehicles over the next five years.
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snky2k
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:40:17 AM

Gasoline will still be used as long as it is relatively inexpensive or the govt. interferes in our ability to choose it.
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vulcan96
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:38:09 AM

going green costs way to much green !!!!
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mohammed10
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:36:55 AM

Change you can believe in...
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camel1
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:30:07 AM

it takes time to change
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k2kipp
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:28:08 AM

Keep making what works best.
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hybridaholic
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:19:09 AM

Throwing it all into the mix
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Billrusty
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:18:01 AM

baby step.
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FluffyDogAttack
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:16:52 AM

Still nobody is looking to the *real* future of car engines: Leprechauns running on a hamster wheel towards a hologram of a pot o' gold. Pure genius.
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EVBuddy
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:16:26 AM

Just about need a small gas powered moter when you are miles from a charging station
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findcheap
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:16:23 AM

engineering improvement instead of glitz
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madison8359
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:14:39 AM

Hard to kick that oil addiction.
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OldMan322
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:14:31 AM

"roadrunnerMO" Me too
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veemotors
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:10:43 AM

ok
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WTLITNG
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:07:12 AM

Electric cars are still in their infancy. Short distance off recharge, weight, not reliable yet.
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Happytalk
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:02:05 AM

still like my power
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prorodeo2012
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:01:53 AM

Efficiency is key
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VikingWoman
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:01:40 AM

Most of us are driving 10 year old cars - or older. Besides, has anyone noticed the number of renters compared to homeowners these days?

Anyone found a landlord willing to install the electrical equipment required for your EV?

No plug-in, no EV.
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sprocketsplines
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 3:01:20 AM

Hard to beat the years of experience with the lowly gasoline engine.
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stpetebp
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:59:30 AM

Conventional engines will be around for a long time
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GAS1251
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:58:25 AM

They continue to hone the efficiency of the internal combustion engine
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kgbellman
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:57:02 AM

I must agree with CiVX
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kd5kpd
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:56:34 AM

Gas or diesel engines are still the best & WILL be for many more years!
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CiVX
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:56:01 AM

Efficiency is key
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HailstormCA
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:50:54 AM

We still like that power.
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greenfog
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:48:09 AM

EVs are still to limited in range and most hybrids are priced to high for most people.
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UseLessGasFolks
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:43:37 AM


in the present but not the future
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Titan_62
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:36:45 AM

...I'll bet on a diesel engine lasting longer--
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