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skb69sa

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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:08:42 AM

State regulations make for pretty dull reading, but you'd never know it from the mountains of cardboard boxes of public comments generated by the latest gas-drilling guidelines proposed by New York's environmental agency.

Many of the 204,000 letters anti-drilling groups say they submitted are the result of social media outreach and meetings at libraries, community centers and churches where organizers would hand out form letters and stamped envelopes.

Environmental groups say the volume of comments demonstrates the intensity of sentiment against natural gas development, but the industry dismisses it as a misrepresentation of actual sentiment and a tactic to stall development by drowning regulators in an ocean of paper.

If nothing else, it demonstrates the grass-roots organizing power of
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remay
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 1:00:01 PM

Guess NY'ers don't MIND paying the high(er) price at the pump.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:28:34 PM

It is already heavily regulated jrs4125. Or do you just really want it banned because of the misinformation you have heard?
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jrs4125
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:04:08 AM

Fracking must be regulated.
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investmentdr
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:11:53 AM

NY would be wise not to drill theirs until ND has wasted all of its
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:29:10 AM

Very similar to the Salem MA witch hunts centuries ago.

AND THE WITCH HUNTS CONTINUE:

Regulation of oil and gas activity should remain squarely under individual state supervision. There is no reason the Feds should be involved in issues the states have already stringently set. All the information is available at the site www.fracfocus.org.

As more and more SCIENTIFIC studies are added to a growing list of studies showing the safety of hydraulic fracturing, the science denial crowd will overlook the science and continue to promote fear. Yelling "the water's on fire etc.".

They'll continue to chant the thoroughly debunked claims of Josh Fox "Gasland" propaganda.

No disclosure of fracturing fluid?? WRONG again... Just take at look around the site www.fracfocus.org, it's ALL right there for the world to see.

And the latest from the purveyors of fear? Insurance!!! Aha, this will be the nail in the trackers coffin! Oh wait...."Fracking-related losses have never been a covered loss under personal or commercial lines policies." - Nationwide Insurance Co.

So now it's water use eh? As each aspect of the witch hunt against oil and gas production is knocked down by science these yahoos will come up with something else out of the blue. Show me one state where oil and gas comapanies use more than a tiny fraction (far less than 1%) of the total water usage. While your at it show me a state that doesn't allow golf courses to use hundreds of times more water than drilling. You cannot, case closed.

You see, there is a huge amount of deceiving information spouted out to the public about hydraulic fracturing, a decades-old technology. Those who spread this misinformation are mostly preying on the public's fears, with an ultimate goal of forcing state governments to succumb to that fear and prevent or even ban hydraulic fracturing. We need to make sure that the discussion is productive, and that any rules are legitimately conceived. Fact must be sEPArated from fiction.

The most common claim talking point is that hydraulic fracturing contaminates ground water. This is baseless. Have you ever noticed that the critics who make that claim never provide concrete evidence? The reason for their omission? It is obvious why. After being used more than 1.2 million times there have been no confirmed cases of hydraulic fracturing contaminating water. None. Never. Ever.

As EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said in April of 2012, "In no case have we made a definitive determination that the fracking process has caused chemicals to enter groundwater."

The three "smoking gun" cases that the anti-shale zealots were sinking their teeth into have proven false or based on very poor science. See Pavillion WY, Dimoch, PA, and Parker County, TX.

The latest fear mongering is "climate change" thru methane emission from hydraulic fracturing. Once again SCIENTIFIC investigation has shown the EPA using numbers that are overblown by 50%.

Oh and the "evil Halliburton Loophole" talking point! LOL, what a joke. This is the errant claim born out of the yellow journalism of "gasland", a proven fraudulent film by Josh Fox, that hydraulic fracturing is "exempt" from the Safe Drinking Water Act, thanks to an energy bill passed by Congress in 2005. The truth??? SDWA has been the law of the land for nearly 40 years, and at no point has it ever covered hydraulic fracturing. Why??? States already tightly and effectively regulate the process.

How can an industry be exempt from something that never covered you in the first place? But you hear this falsehood talking point most every time the subject comes up.

It is important to rely on facts and the science, not fear-mongering talking points. The shale gas and oil boom is the result of U.S. business innovation and risk-taking. If we let the fear of undocumented pollution kill this boom, we will deserve our fate as a second-class industrial power.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:07:33 AM

Indoctrination? This was a reading and writing exercise of current events. Our students need to learn to read, understand and interpret our government system.
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LocalSpyGuy
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:54:30 AM

Looks like the Turks and Russians think they are getting screwed!
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endymion
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:17:35 AM

At least these people are taking action.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:45:00 AM

and we have at least four more years of the great divider
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iFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:10:16 AM

will the comments be listen to, evaluated, and considered.................
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TurkishMan
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:55:41 AM

we are all getting screwed
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RussianAnya
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:54:14 AM

we are all getting screwed
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TIGERPAW46
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:33:55 AM

All studies indicate it's no worse than most of the other Energy sources, or other manufacturing processes, if they do it properly & dispose of waste properly. We need to use a variety of many different energy sources including oil & coal. By relying too much on any thing the adverse effects are multiplied due to side effects from massive amounts of one or two sources.
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bvrbill
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:21:38 AM

This thing will drag on. No one wants to make a decision.
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KrsnaDragon
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:14:08 AM

If people are willing to engage themselves, then they can inform themselves.
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Vette1967
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:10:02 AM

It's a major issue here. Fracking is not popular around those who have water wells.
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wrunner
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:03:06 AM

Events across NY generate fracking incidents.
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 1:00:51 AM

There are a lot of legitimate concerns about fracking. More study of some of the issues is needed in order to make intelligent decisions. The main concern for me is the arm’s length list of toxic chemicals they pump into the ground. I would be satisfied if they would use just water and sand, perhaps a little dab of Tide to lower the surface tension.

Lots of comments = democracy at work. A form letter is OK if it states your opinion on the issue; however, officials will give more credence to a clear and concise original letter.

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cheapchickKY
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:58:52 AM

Not a fan of fracking.
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jorod55
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:55:26 AM

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
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surewatcher
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:54:28 AM

I'm with you hotrod_brother

Frack 'em til they run (diesel that is)

What we need now is more refineries...

I sure wish we deserved Newt!

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MikeCapeCoral
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:46:47 AM

Right from the "low information people" comes the bum dope of the ignorant.
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abacus44
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:40:34 AM

It demonstrates the power of mis-information.
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hotrod_brother
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:40:28 AM

I say "Frack" those environmental groups !
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ican2step
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:39:12 AM

Get a life liberal greenies!
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10k
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:38:06 AM

SammyAdams: makes ya wonder about the future of this once great nation, doesn't it ??..
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10k
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:36:09 AM

after seeing y'alls president in action today, i'll be in favor of anything he opposes..

GO FRACKING..

GO DRILLING..

GO TO H*LL ENVIRO-NAZIS..

film at 11..
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Zonk
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:33:12 AM

Fracking still has many unknowns/concerns.
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jrschl
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:32:52 AM

I am really torn on my thoughts of this, since I saw tap water lit of fire in a house. I just don't know what I think at this point.
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frostyWV
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:32:12 AM

tree huggers.
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heartbroken2010
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:30:39 AM

social media speaks.
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BobD2009
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:28:07 AM

Anti fracking is propaganda.
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BCM1
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:24:15 AM

Wouldn't it be nice to live in a country where the government and the media give facts and not use hysteria to scare the low information citizens.
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:22:43 AM

From the article: "While anti-fracking groups produce hundreds of thousands of valueless comments, the gas industry has produced hundreds of thousands of high-paying jobs," added Karen Moreau, executive director of the New York State Petroleum Council."

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That's just about the size of things. They have actually propagandized 4th graders in writing comments. It goes to show you that the "Flat Earth" people are still thriving.

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CCLighthouse
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:22:06 AM

I can't wait untill we are independent (again)!
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gcalleja
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:17:24 AM

Emotion vs. science.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:17:02 AM

Wow!
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quasar502
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:12:54 AM

No big surprise. Very close to home.
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joel27nc
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:11:14 AM

Missed 1st post here
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NAVYHM
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:10:53 AM

NO... I WONDER WHY...
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Rooster922
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:10:21 AM

Great to be first. Got beating up.

[Edited by: Rooster922 at 1/19/2013 12:10:59 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:10:18 AM

just more eco nonsense
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