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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 3:43:57 PM

MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) -- Carpooling, higher fuel economy, hybrids and electric cars may be good for the environment, but they're bad for government transportation funding, which relies on gasoline and diesel taxes to help pay for the building and upkeep of roads and bridges.
Now some states, including Vermont, are mapping out a possible alternative: taxing drivers not based on how much fuel is burned but how far each vehicle travels.
"I think there's general agreement that we eventually have to get to that if we're going to replace lost gasoline tax revenue," said Costa Pappis, a senior planner with the Vermont Agency of Transportation.
It's easy to see why officials are worried: Vermont expected to raise about $232 million for its transportation fund in the current fiscal year, with about
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NedW
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:53:01 PM

Thank you for submitting this article, mastermariner.
esq262
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:33:53 PM

Just hit us all with more taxes.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:27:05 PM

Crooks!
johton
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 5:20:15 PM

Straitliner hi the ball out of the park!
Straitliner
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:16:21 PM

We need more taxes. We need more politicians. yeah right!
zoomer20
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:22:03 PM

Gee, maybe if people had more jobs to drive to this wouldn't be a problem. And what happens when people find ways around this by walking, biking, and more car pooling, tax our feet, bike tires and passenger seats? Oh, and of course, the big corps will be able to use it as a tax write off so they won't have to pay. The government needs to quit living off the people and be more responsible for their own spending in each office. I wonder how many in office get a raise for this one, since they are the only ones to benefit for this?
DanMtz
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:43:27 AM

Good, as long as it doesn't create a huge slush fund for politicians to play with.
Nancy&Len
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 4:22:37 AM

Its coming SammyAdams.
jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:51:19 AM

unhook my odometer...
kkimes
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:49:03 AM

Isn't this the third time I've seen this article here?
andy1024
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:25:40 PM

Why not just raise gas tax, instead of creating a new tax?
Norm10
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:08:15 PM

Just tax those stupid electric vehicles that are being driven by all the rich people.
SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:45:26 PM

From the article: "Vermont Transportation Secretary Brian Searles said calculating how much of a VMT tax is owed would be done through the global positioning system devices that are expected to be standard equipment in cars later this decade.
"It's a GPS device that is capable of tracking location, time," he said, adding that he was aware that might raise privacy concerns."

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Yeah, I can fully imagine that this might raise some privacy concerns.

BTW, jimgraham (Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 6:21:43 PM), there is NO ESCAPE. We will find you and we will TAX you.

Me thinks that this country is ripe for another Boston style "Tea Party".
Bussman
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:14:19 PM

Let's kill the U.S. economy even more!
jjjleblanc
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 6:44:40 PM

If you drive a car I'll tax the street. If you take a walk I'll tax your feet.
CVA19
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 6:32:32 PM

The Tax Man Cometh!
jimgraham
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 6:21:43 PM

What happens if I NEVER fill it up - or if I travel 5000 miles out of state and then fill it up when I finally get back home??

Better yet - I fill a 50 or 100 or 200 gallon tank that is in the back of my old old non reporting farm truck - then use that gas to fill my car that will report me if I fill up at a station? If my car never sees a gas station pump, will it ever be charged a tax?

Inquiring minds want to know!!!
humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 6:06:18 PM

the "general fund" has created all these problems
Lugi1967
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 5:35:10 PM

People have less to spend therefore spending less on fewer trips and less driving
skempton
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 5:34:29 PM

Guess I'll keep running my beater without a GPS for a long time like they do in CA.
Zeke33
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 5:28:31 PM

The tax is so much a gallon. They are losing tax money because either the cars are more efficient gas-wise or people are not driving as much.
Vermont has turned from a conservative state to a Democratic state due to the influx from NY. The Democrats have to Tax and Spend, so that is their dilemma.
LostInNY
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 5:16:51 PM

If people are spending less on gas that means fewer people are driving or people are driving less...a mileage levy would be like a double tax!!
lippoe_sokan
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:48:07 PM

Basically, the gas tax is a mileage tax since the more you drive, the more gas you use, the more gas tax you pay. If we move to a mileage tax, we basically remove one incentive for more efficient vehicles. Sadly, my guess is that the people behind this will try to get a new mileage tax and keep the existing gas tax, too. In many respects, a mileage tax -- essentially a toll -- makes more sense, since it would more indicative of the wear and tear on roadways, bridges, etc. It *could* approximate fee-based government services if the money generated went solely to transportation and all forms of transportation were subject to the fees. But, considering how the government typically implements fees and taxes, I'd doubt it would be uniformly applied.
txrojo2005
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:39:38 PM

This might work well in the urban centers of both coasts. But for the people in between, especially in Plains and Western states, that would be a killer. Long distances between places. We do not have high density that supports a mass transit capability in the middle of the country for an alternative.

[Edited by: txrojo2005 at 1/18/2013 4:40:33 PM EST]
evowner
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:33:32 PM

As an EV owner I'm all for a mileage tax.
jl1rp
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:33:22 PM

I'm not for this mile tracking.
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:30:15 PM

good
MrLefty0706
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:22:40 PM

We will probably end up with gas and miles driven. We need smaller government like what Thomas Jefferson had in mind.
montpelier28
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:18:13 PM

Cool a Vt article. Some type of gas increase due to numbers. As always Reg & lic may increase. They are also talking about increasing the inspection fee. Not all will pass, but sometning def will.
drobbbb
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:16:07 PM

hybrids are forcing states to figure out new ways to tax
Pramodsharma
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:14:55 PM

This is wrong statement, whatever is good for people is good for its government. Please try to understand what is government?
investmentdr
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:02:19 PM

try cutting spending
molebaby96
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 3:59:56 PM

More spending, more tax.
hmw10284
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 3:54:05 PM

they will probably raise the tax on electricity too
rcornel
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 3:50:42 PM

No, thanks.
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