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CPayZombie Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,069 Points:1,655,615 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 1:36:36 PM Ignore CPayZombie Report Abuse WASHINGTON — Lithium batteries that can leak corrosive fluid and start fires have emerged as the chief safety concern involving Boeing‘s 787 Dreamliner, a problem that apparently is far more serious than government or company officials acknowledged less than a week ago. : : “Unfortunately, what Boeing did to save weight is use the same batteries that are in the electric cars, and they are running into the same problems with the 787 as the problems that have shown up in electric cars,” said Paul Czysz, professor emeritus of aeronautical engineering at St. Louis University. The lithium-ion batteries in several Chevrolet Volts used for crash-testing caught fire in 2011. Visit AP Joan Lowy and Joshua Freed for full article

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WASHINGTON — Lithium batteries that can leak corrosive fluid and start fires have emerged as the chief safety concern involving Boeing‘s 787 Dreamliner, a problem that apparently is far more serious than government or company officials acknowledged less than a week ago.
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“Unfortunately, what Boeing did to save weight is use the same batteries that are in the electric cars, and they are running into the same problems with the 787 as the problems that have shown up in electric cars,” said Paul Czysz, professor emeritus of aeronautical engineering at St. Louis University.

The lithium-ion batteries in several Chevrolet Volts used for crash-testing caught fire in 2011.
Visit AP Joan Lowy and Joshua Freed for full article

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CPayZombie Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,069 Points:1,655,615 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:15:51 AM Ignore CPayZombie Report Abuse Some cars leak oil, others will leak battery fluid.
fuelott Sophomore Author Calgary Posts:184 Points:14,600 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:09:09 AM Ignore fuelott Report Abuse all batteries are volatile
qwerty17 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,655 Points:1,117,900 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:20:55 AM Ignore qwerty17 Report Abuse uh oh...
genoist Veteran Author Orlando Posts:341 Points:165,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 7:25:50 AM Ignore genoist Report Abuse You mean volatile batteries are volatile?
335d1 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,381 Points:759,045 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 6:45:32 AM Ignore 335d1 Report Abuse Bad news for Boeing.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:6,767 Points:1,865,060 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 2:41:00 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse IT IS SCARY THAT BOEING IS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH GM !!!!!!!
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:6,767 Points:1,865,060 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 2:36:51 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse LEAVES, VOLTS & 787 ALL POORLY ENGINEERED. BMW ENGINEERING IS BETTER THAN ANY OF THEM !!!
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:7,485 Points:1,557,525 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:58:40 AM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse Hopefully Boeing will correct the problem.
CityCouponer All-Star Author New Orleans Posts:938 Points:202,105 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:59:15 PM Ignore CityCouponer Report Abuse This IS relevant to the GasBuddy site. It involves transportation.
rcornel All-Star Author San Diego Posts:724 Points:228,070 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:58:54 PM Ignore rcornel Report Abuse Wrong site...
lesndave Champion Author Texas Posts:3,042 Points:701,380 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:12:21 PM Ignore lesndave Report Abuse Scary
BennoBlue Champion Author Virginia Posts:37,054 Points:1,464,745 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:12:12 PM Ignore BennoBlue Report Abuse How is this relevant to the GasBuddy site?
jl1rp Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:1,817 Points:357,430 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:36:19 PM Ignore jl1rp Report Abuse Boeing getting hit by something spec by them, but is the battery made by them or a other company.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,945 Points:752,210 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:34:43 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse From the article "Mike Sinnett, chief engineer on the 787, said last week that the plane’s batteries have operated through a combined 1.3 million hours and never had an internal fault. He said they were built with multiple protections to ensure that failures “don’t put the airplane at risk.” ============ Hard to believe that this did not come up before now. Cover up anyone?
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:9,521 Points:1,830,865 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:09:04 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Hope they can get this fixed before people are hurt.
Jeff4U Champion Author Atlanta Posts:8,756 Points:1,852,370 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:01:40 PM Ignore Jeff4U Report Abuse Irrelevant to gasprices.com ---------------------------
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:609,575 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:24:42 PM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse This has been happening to electric cars for a while now. The nice thing about a car is that when it starts burning, you can pull over to the side of the road and get out. Try to do that at 30,000 ft.
esq262 Champion Author Asheville Posts:2,902 Points:648,490 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:10:27 PM Ignore esq262 Report Abuse Batteries catching on fire? I think I have heard this before.
JDchefF Champion Author Lancaster Posts:1,050 Points:229,245 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 7:20:43 PM Ignore JDchefF Report Abuse Agree scary. Not getting a charge out of this one.
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Discovery02 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,560 Points:310,665 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:58:28 PM Ignore Discovery02 Report Abuse Scotty...we need more dilithium crystals!!
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:8,560 Points:1,544,375 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:34:34 PM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse There are always bugs to work out of new planes, just like new cars. The thing about planes & guns is they attract a media circus, even though they are both safer then cars. [Edited by: playtimeCLE at 1/17/2013 5:36:00 PM EST]
drobbbb Champion Author Maryland Posts:3,480 Points:812,460 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:25:38 PM Ignore drobbbb Report Abuse they better fix it quick
LostInNY Champion Author New York Posts:1,718 Points:647,985 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:20:59 PM Ignore LostInNY Report Abuse bait and switch? Different gear used in production vs the teat planes?
teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,648 Points:249,935 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:59:08 PM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse <<"like any new product that hits the market there are going to be a few hiccups with the new technology, this is to be anticipated and planned for.>>" Is this guy kidding? Hiccups on an airliner that could cost hundreds of lives?!?!
thizben All-Star Author Phoenix Posts:605 Points:284,645 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:47:18 PM Ignore thizben Report Abuse Looks like we need some new innovations in battery technology.
Skunk63 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,557 Points:558,395 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:22:01 PM Ignore Skunk63 Report Abuse Sticking with diesel.
doggod Champion Author Anchorage Posts:2,848 Points:741,360 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:12:29 PM Ignore doggod Report Abuse There was a documentary a few years ago about some other problems with that 787 associated with the carbon fiber that could fail. Not a good time to be holding Boeing stock.
ObieDog Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,966 Points:851,895 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:08:38 PM Ignore ObieDog Report Abuse Truly sad.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,231 Points:2,372,120 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 3:18:31 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse dung is dung no matter the vehicle
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gizbo123 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,514 Points:1,751,985 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:40:36 PM Ignore gizbo123 Report Abuse Only happening in japan. Put in duracells then.
evowner Champion Author Salem Posts:2,182 Points:359,260 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:32:29 PM Ignore evowner Report Abuse Why didn't this show up before? We have an electric car and haven't had a problem.
kag2010 Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:5,259 Points:1,020,735 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:28:21 PM Ignore kag2010 Report Abuse Can't use a Smart Phone on a plane ho well.
tankumo Veteran Author Vancouver Posts:397 Points:69,760 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:17:59 PM Ignore tankumo Report Abuse No problem, new planes always encounter challenges, Boeing knew it and already have contingent plants to fix them.
orphancarguyPE Champion Author PEI Posts:3,848 Points:734,990 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:06:05 PM Ignore orphancarguyPE Report Abuse Just like the Swissair 111 tragedy, cutting corners too far just to save weight can have tragic consequences.
roadrunnin Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,754 Points:565,135 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:02:38 PM Ignore roadrunnin Report Abuse like any new product that hits the market there are going to be a few hiccups with the new technology, this is to be anticipated and planned for.
beale055 Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:1,292 Points:426,225 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 1:50:42 PM Ignore beale055 Report Abuse I wouldnt get near one of them
amerk73 Champion Author Dallas Posts:7,050 Points:1,621,080 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 1:43:14 PM Ignore amerk73 Report Abuse no more use Boeing 787
Van_Halen Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,850 Points:641,980 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 1:41:33 PM Ignore Van_Halen Report Abuse . Can't use a Smart Phone on a plane which has absolutely no affect on the aircraft or cockpit electronics, but the idiots will put a fire hazard Li-ion battery on a flying fuel cell?!
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