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JLSindy Champion Author Cleveland Posts:3,501 Points:675,965 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:01:15 AM Ignore JLSindy Report Abuse Thanks to the fiscal cliff bill signed into law last week, a blend of fuel that contains more ethanol could soon reach more consumers than ever. That's bad news, AAA tells car owners. The nation's largest motor club says use of the fuel blend, E15, could void car warranties on most cars. More corrosive than traditional gasoline, some studies show E15 may accelerate wear and tear on engines and components. Federal agencies are pushing E15 as one component of a broader energy policy that promotes alternative fuels as a way to wean the country away from its reliance on foreign oil. The fiscal cliff bills extends a tax credit that makes it easier for gas stations to install E15 pumps and storage tanks. Experts say they think this will accelerate the arrival of E15 across the nation. Visit AOL for full article

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Thanks to the fiscal cliff bill signed into law last week, a blend of fuel that contains more ethanol could soon reach more consumers than ever. That's bad news, AAA tells car owners.

The nation's largest motor club says use of the fuel blend, E15, could void car warranties on most cars. More corrosive than traditional gasoline, some studies show E15 may accelerate wear and tear on engines and components.

Federal agencies are pushing E15 as one component of a broader energy policy that promotes alternative fuels as a way to wean the country away from its reliance on foreign oil. The fiscal cliff bills extends a tax credit that makes it easier for gas stations to install E15 pumps and storage tanks. Experts say they think this will accelerate the arrival of E15 across the nation.

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virostek Veteran Author Virginia Posts:423 Points:90,285 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 6:58:52 AM Ignore virostek Report Abuse ok.
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:7,277 Points:1,744,630 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 4:38:41 PM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse More problems created by the federal government.
charg3rguy1991 All-Star Author Greensboro Posts:774 Points:246,425 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 6:16:22 AM Ignore charg3rguy1991 Report Abuse The good news is stations are not required to sell E15 and they will still have E10 available. Stations accually would have to add a new tank in the ground that can handle the extra 5% ethanol if they chose to sell E15 and for old stations the contruction won't be cost effective, but a station being built will possibly add the tank fo E15.
danny999 Champion Author Florida Posts:8,738 Points:1,641,985 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 4:58:28 AM Ignore danny999 Report Abuse This should be on front page of Gas Buddy.Sometimes I wonder where gas buddies heads are at.
Billrusty All-Star Author Washington Posts:862 Points:161,135 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 3:24:44 AM Ignore Billrusty Report Abuse they are still going to ram the law thru.
CivicMA Champion Author Boston Posts:1,907 Points:538,020 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 12:41:38 AM Ignore CivicMA Report Abuse Idiotic to require E15!
Tekkersmom57 Champion Author Syracuse Posts:1,889 Points:703,140 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:11:08 PM Ignore Tekkersmom57 Report Abuse "AAA estimates that only 12 million of the nation's 240 million light-duty vehicles are equipped to handle E15, and that the danger of damage is especially higher in cars built in 2001 or earlier." Are you KIDDING me......5%, yes a measly 5% are equipped to handle E15. They need to be halted and more studies collected before cars end up being damaged and not covered by warranty!
BobBG All-Star Author Albany Posts:822 Points:812,500 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:01:26 PM Ignore BobBG Report Abuse Ditto.
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:7,500 Points:1,559,700 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 10:44:44 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse Don't push E-15 please.
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:9,531 Points:1,833,565 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:55:30 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Burn pure gas, No Ethanol.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:14,907 Points:1,443,295 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:40:25 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse Sigh.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,356 Points:2,146,100 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:48:49 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse On Jan 12, 2013 11:20:03 AM, BBopp wrote: >Just who are our elected officials listening to? Not their constituents. Have you contacted your elected officials objecting to E-15? If not, don't be complaining about the elected officials not listening to their constituents. GasBuddy whining, IMHO, does not qualify as the First Amendment right of petition for redress of grievances.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,356 Points:2,146,100 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:42:56 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse Just because the Government offers a tax credit for installing E-15 pumps and storage tanks, it does not mean that anyone has to take advantage of it. And, at least for the foreseeable future, E-15 will not replace E-10.
johton Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,230 Points:314,340 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:28:20 PM Ignore johton Report Abuse That's what O wants!
WestDriver All-Star Author Grand Rapids Posts:679 Points:550,395 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 6:37:18 PM Ignore WestDriver Report Abuse One more way govt. is using its power to take away rights.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,321 Points:2,374,295 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 1:30:09 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse ethenol sucks
BBopp Champion Author Dayton Posts:6,849 Points:1,940,405 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:20:03 PM Ignore BBopp Report Abuse Just who are our elected officials listening to? Not their constituents.
Jkent1953 Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:2,006 Points:443,860 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:19:49 AM Ignore Jkent1953 Report Abuse E0 is what we should be using.
gbs1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:2,016 Points:745,225 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:15:16 AM Ignore gbs1 Report Abuse Stop the E15 and keep E10.
GasHunter0007 Veteran Author California Posts:289 Points:170,625 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:15:03 AM Ignore GasHunter0007 Report Abuse Is this something that can avoided at the pump? doesn't sound like it. More studies, obviously but implemention is a no-no at this point if the consumers are going to take a major hit. Write to your Congress people! Is anyone wearing their thinking caps or are they totally void of any rational, common sense thinking
Skunk63 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,567 Points:561,220 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:07:43 AM Ignore Skunk63 Report Abuse Ethanol is crap.
merlinCO Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,655 Points:344,320 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 10:59:50 AM Ignore merlinCO Report Abuse Now the AAA behind big oil...ethanol is good and is recommended in high octane vehicles.
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:8,575 Points:1,547,300 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 10:45:26 AM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse The government & gas stations need to give us the option of buying this fuel or fuel with less or no ethanol.
mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,266 Points:496,650 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 10:41:23 AM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse Good for farmers
focusvt Champion Author Detroit Posts:9,218 Points:1,597,380 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 10:26:14 AM Ignore focusvt Report Abuse Make the people that make these rules use E15 in their vehicles, exclusively, first.
Discovery02 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,580 Points:312,615 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 10:03:04 AM Ignore Discovery02 Report Abuse Then those Federal Agencies can buy me a new engine designed to use their mandated E15 fuel.
fuel2use Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,497 Points:734,555 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:31:51 AM Ignore fuel2use Report Abuse E-0.
Buckeyee Champion Author Maine Posts:4,621 Points:901,800 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:24:26 AM Ignore Buckeyee Report Abuse Maine is about to pass a state law banning E-85 from being used in Maine, if 2 other New England states also ban it !!
Buckeyee Champion Author Maine Posts:4,621 Points:901,800 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:22:54 AM Ignore Buckeyee Report Abuse Those clever democrats hiding an ethanol lobby demand in the fiscal cliff deal, so much for Obama's transparency. Just follow the money and you find a rotten politician at the end !!
Peachy1 All-Star Author St. Louis Posts:793 Points:1,654,140 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:03:47 AM Ignore Peachy1 Report Abuse OMG you've got to be kidding me!! DC is absolutely useless. Can't get anything right. All need to be fired before anymore destruction.
SSwathwood All-Star Author Denver Posts:549 Points:779,945 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:56:55 AM Ignore SSwathwood Report Abuse Once again government causing more trouble.
oilfreak All-Star Author Houston Posts:687 Points:36,885 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:54:21 AM Ignore oilfreak Report Abuse It's obvious the fiscal cliff deal is an epic fail.
Radar1992 Champion Author Florida Posts:1,340 Points:313,090 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:51:23 AM Ignore Radar1992 Report Abuse E85 is bad....we need to grow food for people....not cars....
Rappcommuter Veteran Author Virginia Posts:478 Points:557,300 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:38:39 AM Ignore Rappcommuter Report Abuse I agree with City Couponer. If you don't like this, write your congressman. I am going to.
teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,678 Points:252,860 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:36:02 AM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse E15 - not good.
CityCouponer All-Star Author New Orleans Posts:948 Points:204,180 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:33:54 AM Ignore CityCouponer Report Abuse Time to write your congressman.
bwp9970 Veteran Author Alabama Posts:254 Points:269,770 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:33:52 AM Ignore bwp9970 Report Abuse With the cost of corn right now being so high. Retailers are paying a premium for the gas they are using that is actually less the the E10. They have been talking with Washington to drop the taxes they have been paying. Bogus
bar1035 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:9,172 Points:1,300,170 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:33:52 AM Ignore bar1035 Report Abuse Good comments danny999.
REBELFAN39 Veteran Author Jackson Posts:357 Points:451,515 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:33:20 AM Ignore REBELFAN39 Report Abuse Well we voted the idiots into washington,just help vote them out, next time!
Wally3023 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,046 Points:543,125 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:30:01 AM Ignore Wally3023 Report Abuse Pay attention to this and don't use it.
ziyulu Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:8,514 Points:1,605,800 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:25:30 AM Ignore ziyulu Report Abuse danny999 from Florida... May I remind you that the President's name is OBAMA without the bizarre embellishment. You needn't agree with him, in fact that you don't, could make this thread more interesting. However, as a citizen, you owe the office respect. Just the basic stuff you learned at home and teach your children now. Schoolyard puns belong in the schoolyard.
OTISFL Champion Author Pensacola Posts:4,620 Points:867,765 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:22:13 AM Ignore OTISFL Report Abuse I agree--VOID--STAMP OUT D.C.!!
bills299 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,381 Points:907,415 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:21:31 AM Ignore bills299 Report Abuse No on E15!!
doeslayersr Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,133 Points:874,930 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:17:16 AM Ignore doeslayersr Report Abuse Void the EPA.
txequitygas All-Star Author Houston Posts:809 Points:158,940 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:02:25 AM Ignore txequitygas Report Abuse Ethanol is the way the government will kill the market support system for farmers. Gov increasing the use of Ethanol, and decreasing the support for farmers. When will the day come that most farmers main crop will be corn for Ethanol, and no support system for all crops? Does this mean that all other crops prices will go up as less supply is available, without a support system?
Luckylindy Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:4,529 Points:1,129,995 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:59:17 AM Ignore Luckylindy Report Abuse How about we void Washington.
SUNOIL Champion Author Toledo Posts:5,255 Points:1,927,955 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:58:01 AM Ignore SUNOIL Report Abuse Good for the economy, you'll have to buy new lawn mowers, outboards, snow throwers, cars, and anything else thank has an older motor in it.
sabre75 Champion Author Florida Posts:1,663 Points:340,395 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:51:11 AM Ignore sabre75 Report Abuse many engine makers are already doing that with E10.
Evilmaddog Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,337 Points:960,475 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:49:13 AM Ignore Evilmaddog Report Abuse 4 more years
gs7101 Champion Author San Antonio Posts:5,538 Points:389,345 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:41:29 AM Ignore gs7101 Report Abuse If true, this is just outrageous!