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skb69sa
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:29:39 AM

Los Angeles Department of Water and Power customers for the first time will be able to sell back excess solar energy created on rooftops and parking lots under a new program approved Friday by the city utility's board of commissioners.

Described as the largest urban rooftop solar program of its kind in the nation, the so-called feed-in-tariff program would pay customers 17 cents per kilowatt hour for energy produced on their own equipment. The DWP has already accepted more than a dozen applicants and will be taking dozens more as it accepts contracts for up to 100 megawatts of solar power through 2016.

Environmentalists, business supporters and solar vendors were thrilled by the vote. Feed-in-tariff programs help generate jobs and economic activity while decreasing greenhouse gas emissio
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 6:02:37 AM

local electric co-op already is doing that for going on 8 years now.
DrLyon
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 4:54:18 PM

Good...
OHMS
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 2:03:57 PM

sell back what they never bought
remay
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 1:47:19 PM

Hope the program SPREADS to the rest of the US.
DanMtz
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 9:57:32 AM

Hmmm, I pay 13 cents per kwhr. 17 cents sounds like a good deal for their customers.
tomok
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 3:19:29 AM

DWP will allow customers to sell back excess solar energy. They are finally getting around to supporting people with their own solar panels and wind turbines. Excess power from home generating green sources are a good source of electrcicty. Need more solar panels and wind turbines are large warehouse roofs, Costco, USPS, UPS, shopping malls, etc. etc. etc. There are many roofs across the US that can support the generation of electricty without taking land from other uses.
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JuicyQ69
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 1:47:36 AM

Good deal.
DOS
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 12:36:32 AM

Glad to hear LA is finally introducing a "Feed-in-tariff" program. Its long past time to enable smaller electric producers to make money from their solar installations.

Solar marches on!
jrsva
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 12:17:24 AM

“It is around 6 to 10 cents here [Ontario] depending on time of day.”

That’s due to the low cost of hydro generation from Ontario rivers.
It is more expensive in most other areas.

“. . . 84 cents a kwh our utility [also Ontario] pays to customers sending it to the grid.”

What’s going on in Ontario? They are selling hydro-generated electricity for 6-10¢/kWh and buying solar-generated electricity for 84¢/kWh . . . ? What’s wrong with this picture??

bvrbill
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 12:13:07 AM

I hope this succeeds without hurting the other customers.
jrsva
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 12:06:53 AM

“And 17 cents/kWh is not a huge premium in the average person's electric bill. Hardly anybody would even notice any difference in their bill.”

Rob, I don’t understand this comment. 17¢/kWh is about what we pay here but the power company will pay us only ~10¢ on a net metering agreement for excess power returned to the grid. 17¢ would be huge. We are getting ready to install a PV system but it will be designed to handle ~90% of our usage. It is not worth installing a larger system because the payback is so low. If we could get 17¢ we would probably go with a bigger system.

jdevlin
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 12:05:22 AM

They are paying 17 cents. What do they charge for electricity out there. It is around 6 to 10 cents here depending on time of day.
SteelPenny
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 12:04:09 AM

It's called LADWP
TheSicilian
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 12:02:26 AM

they should
hamdriver
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:58:41 PM

ok
tutaw
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:58:19 PM

cool
pgerassi
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:56:47 PM

Net grid pricing is the future (the utility has to pay the same rates to homeowners who generate excess power as they pay for grid power up to a rated generator of 20KW). NG powered diesel generation up to 20KW in each home will remove any concentration problems. And the waste heat can be used to heat hot water and homes. There is such a policy by our state department regulating utilities.
OGW
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:56:09 PM

17 cents is a lot more sensible than the 84 cents a kwh our utility pays to customers sending it to the grid. Eventually that will be at least our rate as they are guarenteed that for 20 years from installation.
DancingDee
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:54:02 PM

Awesonme!!!!
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:53:36 PM

good
me2002
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:47:39 PM

Interesting. How much will the tax be for producing your own power?
Prodaddy
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:44:58 PM

This is great
EVBuddy
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:44:49 PM

Good deal
DrLyon
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:44:48 PM

Payback...
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:43:18 PM

Why so negative, @carloco75? Solar is real and works very well, even in places that don't get sun 100% of the time. These panels still produce electricity, even on a cloudy day, and they're very efficient since the electricity they produce doesn't have to travel miles and miles to get to your house.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:40:56 PM

This is a great idea for sunny California. Just think of all that rooftop acreage that just goes to waste. And 17 cents/kWh is not a huge premium in the average person's electric bill. Hardly anybody would even notice any difference in their bill.
Dragnet
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:39:50 PM

DWP will find a way to wiggle around our out of this as it shows they're incapable of providing what they charge customers for.
carloco75
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:39:34 PM

congratulations for anyone that can...and for the rest of the 99.9 percent of the country that will never even see this in person..."whatever"
nimpy
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:35:25 PM

This is only right
fish1552
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:35:04 PM

If I had a solar panel set up, I'd tell the power company to give me a better rate or to go to hell. So they pay $0.17 to you, then charge $0.50 to someone else with no generation costs to them. It should be a 1-for-1 credit to their bill. Use one, and give back one and you are even. At the very least 3/4 covered if you need something to cover admin costs.
DrGasPain
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:34:29 PM

Who could they sell it to for 17 cents or more per kwh? I don't know what the wholesale price of electricity is in CA but it can't be anywhere close 17 cents, in Texas it's 3 to 4 cents per kwh wholesale.
tdc007
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:33:55 PM

Net metering has been there for sometime.
mstearno
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:33:43 PM

do they have a choice?
Rajah
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:32:34 PM

This sort of thing has been available in some areas for years. I have a geeky friend who has constructed a solar array and, on bright sunny days sells power back to the power company.
cwashi3324
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:31:02 PM

How nice of them!
MG_Sputnik
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:24:14 PM

What do they do? Make it dark? Arr-arr!
papakoca
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:23:23 PM

The drawback is for those without alternative sources have to pay for the transmission line costs.
serrog
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:22:08 PM

ok
mdotson
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:21:31 PM

As they should.
abcdMA
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:18:41 PM

And on cloudy days they pay duble
oldiesman
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:17:53 PM

Good about time something constructive instead of the alternative.
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:16:30 PM

good
wayoung56
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:15:40 PM

Cool!!! Let the tree huggers recoup some of their initial expenditure to install the systems...
QualTekGuy
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:12:54 PM

It only seems fair.
Lukus
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:11:38 PM

OK, it is the proper way to go. The utility doesn't have the installation costs or the maintenance costs. They also save on the financing they would have with a big plant.
wang91554
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:11:26 PM

Los Angeles is way behind the rest of California on this.
drz614
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:09:59 PM

17 cents per kW? what is the rate consumers pay?
genoist
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:09:37 PM

Some markets already allow consumers to sell back to the grid when they have extra power to spare.
chuckhermann
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:07:19 PM

Seventeen cents is a fair price for a FIT.
Bleeder
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:06:21 PM

Why did this take so long.
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:04:56 PM

About time.
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