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Blackice

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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 4:43:34 PM

The financial lookouts who toil in America's transportation departments have been waving red flags for years that there wasn't enough money to keep the nation's 4 million miles of roads and bridges drivable. Now the federal government's top accountant has told Congress it should experiment with taxing drivers by the mile to make up billions of dollars in shortfalls. The debate isn't whether you'll pay more to drive in the future, but how you'll pay — and how much.For decades, federal and state governments have relied on gasoline and diesel taxes to pay for road building and maintenance. By one industry group estimate, the nation needs a minimum of $123 billion a year just to resurface roads and shore up the bridges it has, let alone build anything new.

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bwatchingu
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 9:12:43 AM

Taxes are taxing me.
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leeac
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 7:49:07 AM

Roads are an important part of our common wealth. Everyone should pay for them but bigger and heavier cars and trucks should pay more.
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Billrusty
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 3:33:47 AM

the government needs to be fiscally prudent.they should not just increase taxes whenever they see a shortfall but some leader should be made to give up their seat for not being on the ball with tax payers money.
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schatzila
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 5:52:55 PM

Everything today is going to cost more.
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MAC48
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 5:50:15 PM

If the law was changed to require that 100% of all motor vehicle fuel taxes raised by both the Federal and state taxing authorities could only be used for highways, roads, road bridges and other directly related highway infrastructure and added an annual inflation adjusted fee for all EVs of $200 and $100 for all hybrids, one could support a 1/3 increase in the motor vehicle fuel tax rate.

This would mean that absolutely no rEVenue raised from motor vehicle fuel taxes or from EV and hybrid annual road use fees could EVer be used for biking, walking, airport, seaport, rail, bus or any other non-motor vehicle highway or road projects at the Federal or state lEVels.
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bston
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 3:02:53 PM

Just another ploy to get more money out of us!
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eschroth442
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:59:18 AM

oh don't worry, they won't change the gas tax, they will just add this additional one. And too do it they will add some kind of sensor "big brother" to the car that we will have to pay for!!!
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bigt61
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:00:43 AM

Just raise the gas tax. It utilizes a system already in place and accomplishes the objective. To set up a whole new complicated bureaucracy tracking peoples miles is insanity. Another step towards the government watching your every move. Can we please remove the nanny state liberals(Democrats) at the next election. Support libertarian candidates, they're our only hope.
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:47:38 AM

need to get rid of gas tax if they go to a per mile tax, plus allow lighter vehicles to be charged less since they do less damage to the road.
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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:47:24 AM

Yes, we do need to fund highway maintenance and construction as fuel tax revenue per capita dries up - but there are a lot of cross-currents going on as to what's simple, what's fair, and what's effective.

SUPERSTEVIO: "seems it is a real can of worms and will create a lot of controversy on how it will be applied"

jimgraham: "What happens when people quit driving with their speedometer connected?"

Yes - the special gas pumps talked about in the article would take a while to get going, and an electronic device would seem to "big brother" to most folks, even if used in the way described. On the other hand, just using the odometer would invite rollback schemes on a scale usually only seen in dishonest used car lots.

voyagerkim: "Penalize people for going green - now that's a major double standard."

I don't think it's a penalty, just a fee that the road user isn't otherwise paying for a service that they're using. A penalty would be in the high hundreds or thousands.
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Nancy&Len
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:35:11 AM

The reason we have highway funding problems is they take part of the money they already receive and use it on social welfare programs ( food stamps, cell phones internet ......)
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SUPERSTEVIEO
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:10:51 AM

this will be interesting to follow... seems it is a real can of worms and will create a lot of controversy on how it will be applied... no matter how it ends up being charged.
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leeac
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 5:04:53 AM

Our highway system is part of our "common wealth" because it benefits everyone. Everyone should help pay the costs of our roads but larger and heavier cars and trucks should pay more.
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evowner
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 4:48:11 AM

Lack of highway funding coordinates with with the tax reductions to the rich.
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Ahking
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 2:56:44 AM

economic progress needs infrastructure.
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BuckyTJones
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 1:45:21 AM


Only half of the Americans will pay more the other half depends on Obama Care for their substance.
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Palantas
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 1:36:55 AM

Weak.
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MrLefty0706
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 1:04:55 AM

Not good news!
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kkimes
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:54:09 AM

Notice they didn't say tax drivers by the mile instead of by the gallon. He said tax drivers by the mile to make up for the shortfalls. That means we will probably eventually get taxed both ways.
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BEGTWO
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:20:31 AM

Not Good
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cheap59
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:08:13 AM

Because thay will tax us to death!
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TomT2Lee
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:47:04 PM

I have an experiment for the professional politicians, go pound sand! Until they get their house in order, they need to stop trying to find new ways to rape and pillage tax payers.
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amerk73
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:13:15 PM

not fair
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tankumo
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:11:40 PM

Americans will pay more on everything, not just on driving.

We can count on it.
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clpassenubye
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:03:01 PM

If this tax comes to fruition without mitigation of the other taxes this will definitely affect driving habits in the U.S.
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sillywagon
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:23:10 PM

The answer is telecommuting.

No... Politicians and bureaucrats remind me of the Mafia. always have to get their cut, and the %%%% is going up. They will find a way to get their taxpayer paid for slush fund.
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jl1rp
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:33:30 PM

I see a big fight on this one.
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esq262
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:33:18 PM

Grab your wallets.
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:29:06 PM

To: Peachy1 Re: Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:27:29 PM (Printed below)

"Come on people, we don't want this, can't afford any of this BS. They are taking and pocketing all of our $$ for themselves. War time on the way."

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This is a cruder way of saying what I was just thinking.
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MidNJ
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:56:27 PM

Question, will I have to pay by mile tax when I fly my plane to Washington?
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Peachy1
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:27:29 PM

Come on people, we don't want this, can't afford any of this BS. They are taking and pocketing all of our $$ for themselves. War time on the way.
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ddor
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:17:16 PM

No
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07skydriver
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:15:46 PM

Just stay home.
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SilvrSTreak
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:10:49 PM

What a crock of "BS".

IF they ever got around to doing this (and that's only if the "sheeple" support it), then how about issues like -

How is the mileage driven tracked? Will HAVE to be with some device on the vehicles - which begs for tampering and thus will be fraught with fraud.

Shouldn't lighter vehicles (like Motorcycles - which weigh less, have fewer wheels in contact with the road and thus wear the infrastructure less) pay a lesser fee per mile than cars, and likewise, cars less than trucks?

Lastly, what happens when the revenue from it goes down due to people who can't afford it begin to stop driving altogether?

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md11capt
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:31:02 PM

$123 billion is chump change for Donald Trump.
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evowner
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:28:24 PM

When the rich paid taxes, we built the interstate system. Now we can't maintain it? We know why.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:53:18 PM

its never spent on what its intended for, they just
dump into "the general fund" thats the real problem
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voyagerkim
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:52:12 PM

Wow, a bunch of issues here. . .If we have to pay per mile, will the gas tax be lowered? (Probably not, no one wants to lose money) Taxing electric vehicles for their lack of gas usage? (Penalize people for going green - now that's a major double standard.) In the end we will end up paying for all of this anyways, they are just trying to figure out how best to make us swallow this bitter pill!!!
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roadrunnin
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:38:35 PM

years of price gouging the government and lack of oversight = crumbling infrastructure
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peabeax55
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:30:50 PM

The price of road construction is absurdly high. I agree with others that maybe there needs to be some belt tightening by government before they continue taxing us to death.
Fed taxes, state taxes, local taxes, gas taxes, mileage taxes,....etc.
doomed to collapse the workers at some point.
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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:26:58 PM

Be a boost for public transportation
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JDchefF
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:09:40 PM

Another way to get more money from people and then misuse it. Need more fiscal responsibility with the money you get now!
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BBopp
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:02:30 PM

Very unfair to tax by the mile driven! If I could work within walking distance to where I live, I would. However, that is not an option.
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jimgraham
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:00:01 PM

What happens when people quit driving with their speedometer connected?
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Zuegma
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:45:10 PM

Gee... It could work. But, that's the excuse used in Canada for it's extra taxation of about 40% more than what is paid in the US for gas. Except, those massive income influx just end up is the general income 'piggy bank' used for everything else but what it was intended for. Only the "holy spirit" knows where it evaporated to. And, we also and still have a monumental amount of crumbling infrastructure.
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VomVom
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:45:07 PM

Someone has to pay for road maintenance and repair and it is not the government. Guess who pays?
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Nicoalbum
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:16:59 PM

Of course, the best way to fix aging infrasturcture would be getting into motorists' pocket through gas prices.
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