bston
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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 3:00:27 PM
EPA has too much power & is accountable to no one.
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car253
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Ohio
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:59:16 AM
Just what you would expect from a dictatorship.
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SammyAdams
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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 1:41:49 AM
From the article: "Ratepayers in northern Ohio are paying a high price for EPA’s regulatory agenda."
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There is NO Constitutional authority for the EPA; owing its creation to "Executive Order". Where do you find "Executive Order" in our Constitution? I have to agree with you, Amplion (Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:49:04 AM):
"SHUT DOWN THE EPA !!!"
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Amplion
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Oregon
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:49:04 AM
SHUT DOWN THE EPA !!!
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ExplorerWA
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Washington
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:16:14 AM
Be happy, they are shutting down over 200 of them and replacing them with..........nothing.
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drpepperTX
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Texas
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:00:16 AM
LOL, some here have a hard time when presented with the facts!
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NHLiveFree
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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:47:55 PM
How do all the industry shills just seem to know instantly when one of their favorite API, IER, Heritage Foundation, etc opinion/misinformation pieces is posted here. Ck. the timeline on this one. The 'doc' and his alter ego teenie weenie were on this one in a heartbeat, or less.
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NHLiveFree
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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:43:52 PM
Try following the posting guidelines on GB NedW. This one is paid piece by the Power companies including the Koch Bros.!!!
Hope you contributed to the IER for using their non-news piece today Ned!
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Eugenian
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Oregon
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:16:41 PM
More propaganda from Big Filthy Coal. Those coal-fired plants are serious health hazards. We are better off without them.
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evowner
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Salem
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:42:12 PM
Just getting rid of outdated plants. They have been written off years ago through special tax depreciations and other tax loopholes. Another article from the Koch Brothers spin machine.
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peabeax55
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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:35:05 PM
There has been such a revolution switching over to NatGas instead of coal to save us from the "perils" of using coal.
Are these generators beyond conversion?
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Joeski1
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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:10:40 PM
okay... so you are all onboard with breathing all those toxins..
and mountaintop removal mining.... which destroys streams, lands, towns, and even grave yards and produces huge slag and slury piles that are toxic and hard to maintain....
either add current state of art catalytic scrubbers and other technology to clean emissions, and treat the land and people with more respect...
or close 'em up...
build more wind turbines. Made in America. Built in America. And hiring American Veterans.
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Zuegma
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Nova Scotia
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:09:00 PM
Neither Obama nor the EPA are morons (the later has some outstanding scientists). Obama quotes info fed to him (by skewed advisors with short term views) and the EPA with its MACT (Mercury and Air Toxics Rule) and CSAPR 'air pollution regulations' is simply stating that the US needs to clean up its emissions (ASAP).
Both the US and Canada have rather myopic vision with a time span of the next election (maybe plus one) only and have ignored the need for a "long term energy strategy" including generation of power & its transmission, transportation means and planning/upgrades scenarios, planning & use of natural (or created/altered) resources to meet these demands.
Existing coal burning facilities 'could' meet & need to comply with MACT & CSAPR so we can breathe; all it takes is adding a secondary set of 'wet scrubbers' to drop out the heavy metals (such as Mercury) and virtually all the fine particulates now being emitted and causing endless health issues. The big cost though, is not really adding secondary scrubbers, it's just that too many of the power plants are antiquated, don't use state of the art burners (such as fluidized bed burners that, in step one of the heat generation process to spin turbines and rotate generators, eliminate more than 50% of current pollutants).
Converting existing coal power generating facilities to natural gas (or oil) is a band aid solution for the short term (maybe stretching another 20 years out of them). And if that's the solution pursued watch out for gas prices: they'll increase tenfold in ten years. The US not only has coal reserves for one or even two hundred years of power generation but also the technical know how to do it cleanly.
I also believe with continued growth, coal will have to be augmented by nuclear plants (yes, I know it's such a perceived hazard that politicians are even afraid to mention it.) for some 40-50 years before "hydrogen" becomes the main power generation source. Not only can it generate clean energy but it will help drain our ever increasing ocean levels by supplying a free source of energy input requirement (before the New York stock exchange & surroundings are below sea level).
Global warming is not a new phenomena, despite Al Gore's "cut & paste book" on the topic. The last incidence (of g.w.) started some 10,000 years ago following a similar duration ice age. That's long before the industrial age and the recent addition of cars & trucks. And since dinosaurs were long extinct, you can't blame their extra flatulence as "the cause" of extra CO2 and "et al". Research (with recoverable samples) has in fact shown that since the Pleistocene Era (some 1.8 million years ago) there have been some 19 sequences of "ice age, global warming and then global cooling". The switching from one period to the next is theorised to be from below our feet (shifting magma below the Earth's crust and ensuing Earth's magnetic polarity reversal - at least from warming to cooling) and/or augmented by massive sun flares of astral impingements on Earth.
There's not much we really know or can predict as the timeframe that tilt our planet from one phase to another. But, we can achieve results on what we can breathe and eat: if we'd only start planning further than tomorrow and start planning for the next series of "short-term" human generations.
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ktbaeohana
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Las Vegas
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 4:50:29 PM
watch and see.
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bigt61
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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 4:23:28 PM
We emit 3% of the worlds mercury. Maybe after spending billions and billions of dollars, we can get that down to 2.9%. You don't mind spending an extra $10-50 /month on your power bill to accomplish that worthy goal do you?
Mercury Emissions: The Global Context
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flnobody
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Florida
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 4:02:39 PM
"epa costs more than its worth"
I guess that would depend on how much you value water and air
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mikaye
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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:27:36 PM
epa costs more than its worth
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joseph000
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Houston
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:17:00 PM
Glad to see the EPA reducing mercury and other poisonous emissions.
Hopefully as other sources of power become available and less expensive, more pollution sources can be eliminated.
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crep1291
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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:14:46 PM
Reality check. Coal plants are being replaced by natural gas powered ones. They're cleaner and cheaper to operate.
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fedupMN
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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:06:27 PM
"Assault".... LOL
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sickhp
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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:53:10 PM
Stupid and America voted for this as the EPA is doing what Obama wants and we will pay through the nose.
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JimTee
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Tampa
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:32:07 PM
The EPA is run by a bunch of morons.
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teenitup
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Houston
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:26:08 PM
It is sad, the loss of jobs that the EPA is directly causing is ridiculous.
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Taxrefugee
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Arizona
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:02:42 PM
If it ain't green, O will let you walk and freeze in the dark.
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humblepie
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Toledo
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:57:36 PM
sad for the thousands and thousands of families gong on welfare
because of this
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turboz2012
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Charleston
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:57:28 PM
nothing new here
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drpepperTX
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Texas
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:46:00 PM
The casualties of Obammy and the EPA war on coal are mounting.
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HorizonChaser
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Montgomery
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:42:46 PM
This is wrong, 0bama!
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