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loloTX

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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:12:23 PM

here's an event data recorder, or EDR, in many cars -- what is commonly called a "black box." It tracks your car's movements and the actions you take as a driver, and now there are federal guidelines that standardize the information being collected.
There is much debate over this information and when and how it can be used.
EDRs have been in cars for a couple of decades and were placed there by automakers as a way for them to access information about the car's movements and driver behavior to help determine if a vehicle malfunctioned or the driver was in error in the event of a lawsuit.
Today, most passenger cars and light-duty pickups have event data recorders. They are not required equipment in cars, but they may be for the 2015 model year if pending legislation pass
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lesndave
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 10:44:55 PM

Don't want one in my car
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clpassenubye
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 5:44:46 PM

It really depends how the info gained from theses boxes will be used.
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remay
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 5:21:19 PM

We have drive-right equipment in company vehicles, and its worked out fine, so it shouldn't be an issue to have "black boxes" in EVERYONE's vehicle...
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Radar1992
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:54:00 AM

Just like digitization of our medical records it will be used against the consumer.

Keep Big Brother out of our cars....
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:40:36 AM

not crazy about them. Need some way to keep people out of them that don't need to be in them.
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TruthMatters
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:14:50 AM

Bring them on! I'm all for it. Anything that helps to make driving safer? Go for it!
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Pmgr
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 1:05:56 AM

good potential
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kkimes
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 1:04:12 AM

Sure hope that they put them in every car. While it won't prevent accidents, it may give a lot of good data that will lead to safer designs or a change as yet unseen that will make more accidents avoidable or possibly even modify driver behavior.
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BennoBlue
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:17:17 AM

What they don't say is that the EDR (Event Data Recorder, aka "black box") can hold a maximum of 5 seconds of data. It is activated during a crash by the same type of sensor as activates the air bag, and it only tracks information about the crash itself, no audio, no personal data, no location or tracking data. As the article says, there are 15 items tracked, including the car's speed, how far the accelerator was depressed, the engine's RPMs, whether the brakes had been engaged, and how long it took the airbag to deploy. The purpose is to improve safety of vehicles by learning more about what has happened in a real-world accident. Or, as NHTSA Administrator David Strickland says: "EDRs provide critical safety information that might not otherwise be available to NHTSA to evaluate what happened during a crash — and what future steps could be taken to save lives and prevent injuries. A broader EDR requirement would ensure the agency has the safety-related information it needs to determine what factors may contribute to crashes across all vehicle manufacturers." It's already in most vehicles, installed with the airbag. If your car has an airbag, it probably already has an EDR.

Even if the insurance company were to be allowed to read the EDR, it's wouldn't tell them anything except what happened at the time of the accident.

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cheap59
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:09:15 AM

Yep!
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Ply440GTX
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:46:27 PM

The only "black box" I want in MY car would be Meagan Good! OWWWWW!!!
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esq262
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:35:11 PM

Not good.
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Tacodan
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:28:06 PM

no more than a prostrate exam
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autotech46
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:14:43 PM

The only way the information is on your side is it takes a freeze frame when that nasty check engine light comes on. This lets a technician duplicate the conditions for setting the computer error. We could care how fast or heavy your foot was other than the problem occurs when sitting still or at 60mph
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Peachy1
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:33:14 PM

The Gov't wants it to where no one can drive a vehicle...too expensive, too much regulation, too much for insurance, too much invasion of privacy.
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peabeax55
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:45:00 PM

You people who agree with this can have the black boxes. "Give an inch, take a mile" applies to the government.
There will be more and more intrusion into your personal travel, destinations, how long you were there, whether you crossed state lines,
did you visit family?, a gun store?,a known drug den?, a bar you frequent?,
Does that subject you to a "visit" by the local police?
I could go on, but at what point would it have gone too far..in your opinion?
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wamster
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 6:07:57 PM

They have EDR's in planes. What's the big deal about having themin cars. My 2010 has one.
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mike56MI
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:53:45 PM

No way
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cmgodwin
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:53:24 PM

What industry is pushing for these black boxes?
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PathfinderSC
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:36:23 PM

Don't like it, The Government got its finger in to much now.
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Nicoalbum
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:21:39 PM

I'd like to have just a dashcam integrated
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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 4:37:43 PM

the law should allow the owners the ability to see what's actually being recorded...

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CVA19
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 4:12:22 PM

Yes!
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pleinyeux
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:54:10 PM

Do you really trust your insurance company to want you to spend less?

Absolutely Noooooooooo



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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:54:06 PM

Hooking it up to a common jump starter would probably do the trick - but isn't it part of the engine diagnostics? If so, the car might not run right. (In other words, I think they've got us.)
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doggod
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:51:16 PM

I'm surprised someone hasn't come out with a cheap little tool you can use to fry this box.

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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:37:41 PM

People always raise a fuss if the government starts to look too closely at our private affairs, but we fail to realize that corporations are in the back door already - and insurance companies are just one example. For instance, they tell repair shops not to let customers watch their cars being worked on, employers to let perfectly good employees go because they spent a night in jail for an offense unrelated to their work, all just because the "risk" increases. No room for our own judgement. They even decide your rates on the basis of your credit rating - something they shouldn't even get to see because insurance is prepaid, not on credit. We need to apply the Fourth Amendment not only to the government, but to these nosy companies as well.
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nsdp
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:37:35 PM

Mr Death if you have a cell phone that uses iPhone, Android, Windows or anything other than the old Nokia Meego you have a spy in your truck. It is your cell phone. It broadcasts your location using GPS reception and using that some one can go to your cell carrier and know where your cell phone and most likely you are 24 hours a day and if you are driving how fast and what road you are on.
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bsnort
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:14:16 PM

You never know how good your insurance company is until something bad happens
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mkohly
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:30:59 PM

fencemanNY

Do you really trust your insurance company to want you to spend less?
Or do you agree they are out to maximize their profits (like everyone else)

First - give "discounts" to those willing to be monitored, but ONLY if they are good drivers (and they decide what is "good")

Once they have this in place, they use the "guilty until innocent" logic, figuring anyone *NOT* being monitored must therefor be a bad driver, so has to pay more.

Finally, those getting "discounts" get their rates raised as there is no more reason to give the discount.

Simple greed, carried out in a few steps, and it works because there are enough "sheep" to buy into the sales pitch



[Edited by: mkohly at 1/11/2013 2:34:29 PM EST]
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Taxrefugee
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:07:15 PM

Absolutely!!!
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fullcirclethink
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:53:03 PM

Answer: Yes. But when did that ever stop the government?
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HorizonChaser
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:45:10 PM

Yes, they are an invasion of privacy. I am against them.
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deputydog082
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:27:04 PM

they're not going away as they been installed for years not
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Tekkersmom57
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:22:32 PM

Perfect response, hmw10284! I couldn't have said it better myself.
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fencemanNY
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:21:04 PM

I'd love to pay less for car insurance cuz they look at the way I drive. Those that are reckless drivers (as shown by the black box) should pay more.
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TripleHs
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:08:32 PM

i don't like it as it is unnecessary and costly and it invades our privacy
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schatzila
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:07:15 PM

Doesn't scare me.
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MrDeath666
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:03:30 PM

No "Big Brother" in my truck!
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bicycler
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:57:23 PM

I would like one that could be read by me.
If my son had one 4 years ago he would not have had such a 4 year fight with the insurance company of the creep who crossed the line and hit him and took off! The police backed my son but that did not speed up the insurance company. Finally they had to pay!
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djwhit
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:51:23 PM

SOUNDS LIKE MORE MONEY............
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hmw10284
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:44:11 PM

Invasion by having a black box. No. Invasion by giving access of the data to any entity with out your express permission. Yes.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:41:51 PM

news flash, they have been in our cars for years
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BUSMAN1105
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:37:47 PM

YES, IT'S A INVASION OF MY PRIVACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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truvoice1
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:35:28 PM

Unfortunately, EDRs are another example of how our privacy is being eroded, bit by bit. The government now monitors ALL of our emails and cell phone calls and eventually they will use the EDRs to track every citizens movement around the country, using preventing terrorism as their excuse to continue to violate our privacy rights. Soon you will see your insurance company using the EDRs to raise your rates if you drive too fast or drive irresponsibly (by their measurement). We are now on the slippery slope sliding down in to a Big Brother government and we seem to be helpless to prevent it!
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Bussman
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:30:18 PM

Be careful of your government...VERY CAREFUL!

Elections have consequences.
Don't be "sold" by someone's likeability or whether they are "cool". That person has a record that must be critically analyzed as well as, and perhaps more importantly, a party platform that that candidate represents. Analyze both very critically before casting a vote and perhaps unknowingly decreasing your freedom without even knowing it.

Research Alexander Tytler and what is attributed to him, "the Tytler Cycle" which is also known as democracy's "fatal sequence". If you weren't taught this in school it's a shame but check out where you would place the U.S. in Tytler's fatal sequence. Frightening really.
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BIGOILEATURCRUD
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:28:09 PM


"EDRs have been in cars for a couple of decades"

More than a couple.
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07skydriver
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:27:29 PM

Just stay home.
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