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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:47:16 AM

Electric and hybrid vehicle sales rose 73% in the US in 2012, according to the research firm Mintel. That makes them the fastest-growing sector of the US auto industry, with around 440,000 hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and electric vehicles sold in 2012.

Electric and hybrid vehicle sales rose 73% in the US in 2012, according to the research firm Mintel. That makes them the fastest-growing sector of the US auto industry, with around 440,000 hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and electric vehicles sold in 2012.

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millerin
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 6:01:13 AM

nice
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BobBG
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:23:00 PM

They laughed at the first cars too saying they would never replace the horse and buggy.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:52:27 PM

LOL, an increase from 1 to 2 is 100%!
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bullfrog42
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:13:01 PM

Good for going green
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TripleHs
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:12:25 PM

they are still not very affordable and not very convenient to charge
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:01:46 PM

That 73% calculation is rather meaningless to anyone who understands.
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Dr Gas
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:53:11 PM

Sure 73% increase - that's BAD REPORTING.

You have to put it in the proper perspective.

About 20 millions car were sold last year, and the number of these sold in 2011 was probably very small, so a 73% sounds good, until the you find out the 2011 numbers were very small.

Doing the math 2011 sales would have been about 255,000 and a 73% increase would be 185,000 to reach 440,000 for 2012.

AND 500,000 cars of this type is only 2.5% of the total car sales - !
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:40:29 PM

THAT'S GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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truvoice1
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:27:14 PM

Good comments below! Government purchases of these vehicles have definitely contributed to their rise in sales, but until the charging infrastructure is in place for the EVs, they will continue to be the oddity that they are now: a $20,000+ vehicle you can only use for errands or short commutes not too far from home! Hybrids are gaining more popularity due to the long term reliability of the batteries and the willingness of manufacturers to replace them under warranty. As the market evolves it will be interesting to see if the hybrid and EV technology will be utilized effectively in the larger truck and SUV market. Attempts at this so far have produced mediocre gas mileage increases and unless the results are improved, hybrids and EVs will never dominate the market.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:11:20 PM

Wow.....................from 6 all the way up to 8.5 per month. Gonna have to get me a dealership......
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:08:03 PM

Very few of these are pure electrics I'll bet. The surge in hybrid sales is understandable since there are more models to choose from these days, but mixing them in with electrics just produces a misleading statistic.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:04:04 PM

If 7500 rebate is extended to all plugin hybrids the sales will go skyrocketing .
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:41:48 AM

and would rise more.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:32:29 AM

Great news, but give it another year and if sales continue to increase maybe the oil-heads will soften their hard line against the EV/Hybrids
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:04:57 AM

440,000 is a reasonable number, does seem to be gaining traction even though it started from a small number
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:59:40 AM

Sales went up because they started out so low
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:43:43 AM

I'll be ready to buy one in 2014.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:43:00 AM

Glad someone can afford 'em!
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:42:14 AM

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Rose when compared to what? Total vehicle sales, NOT! Total passenger vehicles, NOT! Compared to their almost nonexistent sales of 2011, then yeah they are up slightly!
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:40:58 AM

They are great for someone that has a 9 to 5. Goes to the same place everyday. Has a plug to plug into at work (Who's paying for the electricity at work?) And finally never goes anywhere except home-work-home-work-home etc.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:35:52 AM

The state dept. has the money to purchase Volts & send them overseas. But they don't have money to protect our people overseas !! Sure, wink, wink !!
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:35:32 AM

Good for many consumers, but I would not buy one.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:31:18 AM

Where is the infrastructure to support the ev?
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:30:08 AM

as they get better and less expensive of course more people will buy them.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:24:49 AM

Ticobird and orphanguyPEI - good comments, however what are the REAL percentages when you subtract the number of EVs and hybrids which were purchased by the US government and by the Big O scam cronies such as GE?
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:21:14 AM

So the public can see the benefits of non petro vechicles. 440,000 is small compaired to all car sales but its GROWING.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:19:49 AM

A rise of 73% for both hybrid and EV's is mixing apples and oranges. It's ok if you are trying to confuse people into accepting EV's as a natural evolution but the truth is that EV battery development needs a lot more evolutionary breakthroughs before EV's will be accepted.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:19:07 AM

Wonderful!
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:04:20 AM

when the price drops some more I would but one
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:41:41 AM

oh wow
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:27:47 AM

Percentage increases don't mean that much in themselves; its the base line numbers that make the real case.

Traditional hybrids of the Prius and related sorts are definitely mainstream now. The Prius line wouldn't be about the top of the sales heap of all new cars sold right now if it weren't mainstream. What you are promised=what you get, so people are 'getting it' that higher initial cost is more than made up by lower long term running costs.

It may take a few more years for plug-in hybrids (Prius, Volt, C-Max Energi etc) to achieve the sales volumes of the traditional hybrids, and ditto for the pure electrics of the Leaf, Mitsubishi, and Smart varieties. But, it will happen. Word of mouth sells more cars than any ad campaign. Even higher initial costs are more than offset by even much lower longterm running expenses.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:27:31 AM

People will buy them when they can economically or emotionally justify their purchase. Just like any product. Another statistic missing from this optimistic report is the repeat purchases of hybrid buyers. (EV buyers are a drop in the bucket at this point) Only 35% of hybrid owners chose another one.... The increasing efficiency and relatively low price of the internal combustion engined vehicles will make it harder for hybrids and EV's in the future. Diesel small cars like the upcoming Chevy Cruze will also dent hybrid sales. Overall price plus cost to own and repair will be a fundamental driver of sales in the future....as it is now.

Few hybrid vehicle owners are repeat buyers
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:24:56 AM

Good for them.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:23:43 AM

With such small sales any mild increase is a big percentage change.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:22:31 AM

surprising
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:19:12 AM

If you like them, go for it!
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:18:00 AM

Nice!
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:12:38 AM

Someplace on here the other day, an article decried the lack or soft sales of the vehicles.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:09:52 AM

number can be deceiving...........
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:06:15 AM

Soooo, I wonder what those figures would look like if you removed the gov't purchases?
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:52:42 AM

small increases in a small market ,make for huge percentages
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