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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:20:39 AM

Car buyers are being misled by fuel consumption claims, according to research revealing some vehicles, including top makes such as Mercedes, Range Rover and Lexus, get as little as 71% of the advertised mileage per gallon.

Manufacturers increasingly claim in adverts that their cars will manage over 70mpg. However, a major survey of what cars are achieving on the road, by motoring website HonestJohn.co.uk, found that many drivers are getting less than three-quarters of the mpg they had expected. It estimates that overstated official fuel figures are collectively costing UK drivers up to £4.4bn a year in extra costs.
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DanMtz
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 9:42:27 AM

I guess no one reads car magazines anymore.
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:34:17 AM

do research before buying
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Amplion
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 1:09:31 AM

MY BMW STRAIGHT SIX RWD IS SUPPOSED TO GET 24 MPG.
WHEN USING SINCLAIR PREMIUM IT ACTUALLY GETS 30 MPG or 27 MPG WITH CHEVRON !!!
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bwatchingu
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:44:29 PM

interesting
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:37:17 PM


This is news? 30 years ago it was commonly accepted that the mpg you got would be about 5 less than advertized.
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mkohly
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:16:56 PM

I'll bet the automaker MPG numbers are for pure gas; not the E10 I'm forced to buy.
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alterman156
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 2:01:57 PM

Your mileage may vary.
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schatzila
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:14:29 PM

oh really?
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sciotosix
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:00:54 PM

Not a surprise.
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highdesertman
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:59:38 AM

Assume that the 70MPG claims are based on Imperial Gallons, so would be about 58MPG in U.S. measures. Still, a lot higher than we see for most mileage claims, but we also don't know how the British testing methods compare with ours.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:52:53 AM

Consumers in the UK really have a valid complaint considering the price of petrol there.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:18:25 AM

Minot, ND has some of the highest gas prices in ND. Lets get the prices down.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:02:30 AM

Surprise!
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playtimeCLE
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:59:51 AM

How many people here even think about, or care about what Mercedes does?
I will never buy one.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:55:19 AM

Just stay home.
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cdrrod
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:44:09 AM

Old news! Just look at your own car...
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:39:58 AM

"The defined test do not represent the way people drive as fuel economy figures ranging from 71% to 105% of demonstrated fuel economy. Could we be seeing that certain classes of vehicles are being driven differently from other classes of vehicles?"

I'm pretty sure sport cars (and pick-up trucks) aren't (always) driven according to government standardized tests.
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Buckeyee
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:39:30 AM

Never read liberal propaganda like the Guardian !! what a rag.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:15:01 AM

no surprises.
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greatartiste
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:08:03 AM

No, really?
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:48:30 AM

Yes but they are covered by the one liner, " your milage could vary"
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:46:40 AM

Citizens misled by Obama too. Just look at your most recent paycheck.
What else is new?
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:27:42 AM

Mislead is an understatement.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 9:03:09 AM

Driving habits are the cause of much of the difference between EPA estimates and the real world numbers.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:54:38 AM

everyone knows they are seldom right
the first clue is where it says epa estimate
a dead give away
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:51:12 AM

People are easily misled nowadays.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:46:04 AM

I smell more government regulaton coming...
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:35:25 AM

Not only in the U.S. All numbers are subjective when comparing standardized tests and individual driving patterns. Letting a car sit idling to warm it before going on a cold day, racing/speeding, mountainous driving v. great plains, driving up to a traffic light and braking hard to stop; there are many variables affecting gas mileage.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:32:17 AM

There is a certain inevitability about some of the vehicles what do NOT do well in real life--among them are noted Mercedes, Range Rover, and Lexus. In 'British' terms, these three makes are a cliche for powerful vehicles for (most of) the rich. It varies by country, but those are the top three in peoples' minds in the UK, more or less. In fact, 4x4 V8 Range Rovers are mockingly called "Chelsea tractors" (ie, SUVs for the monies classes who pretend they need a 4 wheel drive for their 'farms' in the country, but who never get off finely paved roads or put a bale of hay in back for their purebred horses)

Standard tests are standard tests, and a Fiesta or a Prius is just that much more likely to be driven conscientiously and carefully than a rich person's big bloated vehicle. If you can afford it, you flaunt it. When you are constrained by fuel economy=taxation rate on vehicles as in Britain, a little bit of 'Ford hybrids in North America' fudging goes on, even on the top end of the income scale because no-one like paying more taxes than they actually have to. In the official standard test, they might do well enough, but they are likely to be driven just a bit harder and faster, and the mileage goes all to hell much more so than in a Fiesta or a Prius when you do so.

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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:18:32 AM

I propose that any MPG claim is accompanied by the exact methodology for determining their numbers--in plain English.

[Edited by: SycamoreISU at 1/11/2013 8:18:59 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:10:39 AM

The defined test do not represent the way people drive as fuel economy figures ranging from 71% to 105% of demonstrated fuel economy. Could we be seeing that certain classes of vehicles are being driven differently from other classes of vehicles?
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:10:11 AM

I would love to know what Mercedes, RR and Lexus is supposed to get OVER 70MPG! Maybe if the car is only driven downhill, with a tail wind while the vehicle is in neutral...
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:00:24 AM

So they have the same problem on the other side of the Pond as us! Claims that are not based on reality as to how people drive?
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Hawg1408
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:00:04 AM

What happens in reality never matches the supplier claims.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:57:52 AM

lead foot= poor mpg
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badbonita
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:57:38 AM

What else is new?
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BurntOrange
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:54:02 AM

The UK is upset too.
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coughlin
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:48:34 AM

Consumer Reports will give accurate MPG figures.
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molebaby96
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:42:51 AM

My car needs a higher 5th gear.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 7:30:40 AM

A lot depend on how you drive.
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