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skb69sa
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:25:43 PM

If hydrogen-powered cars are going to be commonplace in the relatively near future, scientists will have to discover and utilize a means of mobile storage for the colorless, odorless gas.

That’s the main thrust of research at Wake Forest University by assistant professor of physics Timo Thonhauser and his team. Thonhauser’s effort got a major boost with the August announcement that he won a National Science Foundation career award for his excellence as a teacher-scholar – which came with a $426,572 grant.

With the help of two graduate assistants who started in September, Thonhauser is focused on storing hydrogen as a lightweight, compact energy carrier for mobile applications. Methods for storing hydrogen – currently used in industrial processes, rocket fuel and spacecraft propulsion –
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ss70
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 8:54:41 AM

hydrogen is the only long term solution
BEGTWO
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:25:56 PM

COOL
amerk73
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 4:37:41 PM

just news
investmentdr
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:47:17 AM

Keep pushing
scu227
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 5:55:59 AM

Another alternative to high priced oil.
coughlin
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:47:20 AM

H is the way to go!
iFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:14:18 AM

hydrogen gets another look
dwbuddy
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:42:42 AM

they have had many Universities waste (tax payer) money on Hydrogen power.
We even did some studies on it back in my day 20 years ago.....It gets professors grants and never goes anywhere afterward. Back then they said it could be available by 2010..and we are at 2013.

Good luck on getting more taxpayer money for grants on Hydrogen.

There is a wide gap between today's capabilities for hydrogen production, storage and use and those required for the clean energy future. To be economically competitive with the present fossil fuel economy, the cost of fuel cells must be lowered by a factor of ten or more and the cost of producing hydrogen must be lowered by a factor of four. In addition, the performance and reliability of hydrogen and fuel cell technologies must be improved dramatically. By sponsoring long-term innovative, high-risk/high-payoff basic research, the DOE Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Program is working to narrow this gap.
....since 1991 or somewhere in there. You notice they never put dates on anything related to this research to show how long it has been sucking money from the taxpayers.

BigTruc
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:40:09 PM

waste
TomT2Lee
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:06:56 PM

NO NO NO!!!!!! I can not wait for the day that enough Americans break out of their brain washed state and kick the professional politicians destroying the country out.
dave27johnson
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:49:50 PM

Needs improvements.
tankumo
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 9:51:09 PM

Yeah, taxpayers money at work for sure.

CVA19
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 9:24:23 PM

There we go, another half-million dollar grant, compliments of the US taxpayer.
investmentdr
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 8:40:06 PM

keep pushing
skinsfan125
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 7:46:23 PM

timme will tell
knutzAL
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 6:39:23 PM

hydro on demand.
Mariuxus
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 5:09:19 PM

ok...we'll see...
BIGALRPH
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:36:17 PM

I take a wait and see approach. The over all cost of ownership will be the deciding factor of how quick we go!
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:20:59 PM

watch and see.
Pramodsharma
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:48:02 PM

Not a bad idea, we can reach to more than 400 million miles without fueling once, let's have more discoveries which take to us office, grocery stores and please drive instead of taking on Mars.
JamesCalvin
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:45:30 PM

Temporary push!
MImusicman
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:37:54 PM

Go ahead and push BUT USE PRIVATE MONEY...we don't need more Solyndras!!!

[Edited by: MImusicman at 1/5/2013 3:39:30 PM EST]
pilotmass
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:20:54 PM

Discover? BMW has this all figured out for decades. Hydrogen is a dead end for fueling cars
BUSMAN1105
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:14:04 PM

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nicoalbum
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:13:08 PM

It`s a kind of support for young researchers, not a serious investment into the project
wz
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:09:22 PM

Push away, but not at taxpayer expense!
SteveSeattle
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:04:37 PM

ok
2008JeepX
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:03:16 PM

Bring it on!!!
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:54:03 PM

Great
jjjleblanc
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:44:47 PM

Technology worth investing in.
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:16:53 PM

Good!
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:16:23 PM

nice
bcline909
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:05:50 PM

nice
NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:51:43 PM


The usual rambling misinformation and old wives tales BigRedVTX.

Not surprising from a Big Oil investor nsdp. Too bad you can't stand any competition for your precious crude!
gizbo123
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:49:59 PM

All inventions for cheap fuel is bought up and shelved.
NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:48:40 PM


They are here now Zuegma! Just check with Honda and now Toyota. They have the cars and are now investing in the infrastructure. Hydrogen is the future as an abundant and renewable energy source. The effort noted in this great news article is just one of hundreds to develop better and greater capacity storage.
humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:38:36 PM

most of us wont see this in our lifetimes,
im still waiting on the george jeton predictions
of many years ago
Zuegma
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:02:11 PM

There's indeed still a lot of research/development needed to get hydrogen propelled vehicles. But the ensured clean burning makes it far superior to most pursued alternatives.
Storage and distribution of it is a key challenge for the use of the technology.
Supply of water isn't. We have oceans surrounding all continents that are becoming a menace because of their increasing height. The more of it we could use productively, the better off the planet would be.
Right now it requires a small engine (fuel cell) but a large gas tank and there isn't the infrastructure to make it available (yet).
The "long term" solution though is converting black matter (i.e.: anti-matter) into matter. Propultion galore: you'd arrive before you even left. :)
bisonjim
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:57:29 PM

Lots of research to do before really becoming viable
evowner
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:54:19 PM

Hydrogen powering a fuel cell, producing electricity for an electric car. Why not wireless charging of EV instead?
BigRedVTX
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:45:00 PM

If I recall, Chrysler, years ago had a turbine unit that ran off of Hydrogen. At the time NTSB (or it's then equivalent) made them take it off the road as "unsafe".
Later, many attempts were made at gas out of water schemes.
In fact, wasn't too awfully long ago, there was an inventor that said he had a vehicle that ran on water.
My guess is that electrolysis was his method, but we'll never really know.
7SPEEDY7
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:40:37 PM

good
fuel2use
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:36:11 PM

Push like in push start. Make me think of a old clunker that needs your buddy's to get it going so you can pop the clutch.
nsdp
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:31:45 PM

The need for water or natural gas to make hydrogen an environmentally poor choice. They need to think this all the way through.
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