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skb69sa Champion Author San Antonio Posts:3,492 Points:712,350 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:25:43 PM Ignore skb69sa Report Abuse If hydrogen-powered cars are going to be commonplace in the relatively near future, scientists will have to discover and utilize a means of mobile storage for the colorless, odorless gas. That’s the main thrust of research at Wake Forest University by assistant professor of physics Timo Thonhauser and his team. Thonhauser’s effort got a major boost with the August announcement that he won a National Science Foundation career award for his excellence as a teacher-scholar – which came with a $426,572 grant. With the help of two graduate assistants who started in September, Thonhauser is focused on storing hydrogen as a lightweight, compact energy carrier for mobile applications. Methods for storing hydrogen – currently used in industrial processes, rocket fuel and spacecraft propulsion – Visit News Observer for full article

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If hydrogen-powered cars are going to be commonplace in the relatively near future, scientists will have to discover and utilize a means of mobile storage for the colorless, odorless gas.

That’s the main thrust of research at Wake Forest University by assistant professor of physics Timo Thonhauser and his team. Thonhauser’s effort got a major boost with the August announcement that he won a National Science Foundation career award for his excellence as a teacher-scholar – which came with a $426,572 grant.

With the help of two graduate assistants who started in September, Thonhauser is focused on storing hydrogen as a lightweight, compact energy carrier for mobile applications. Methods for storing hydrogen – currently used in industrial processes, rocket fuel and spacecraft propulsion –
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ss70 Champion Author Detroit Posts:9,669 Points:1,871,075 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 8:54:41 AM Ignore ss70 Report Abuse hydrogen is the only long term solution
BEGTWO Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,947 Points:725,115 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:25:56 PM Ignore BEGTWO Report Abuse COOL
amerk73 Champion Author Dallas Posts:7,055 Points:1,622,930 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 4:37:41 PM Ignore amerk73 Report Abuse just news
investmentdr Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,034 Points:1,456,025 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:47:17 AM Ignore investmentdr Report Abuse Keep pushing
scu227 Champion Author New Haven Posts:4,157 Points:772,855 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 5:55:59 AM Ignore scu227 Report Abuse Another alternative to high priced oil.
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:5,190 Points:1,118,840 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:47:20 AM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse H is the way to go!
iFueler Champion Author Durham Posts:64,433 Points:180,475 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:14:18 AM Ignore iFueler Report Abuse hydrogen gets another look
dwbuddy Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:1,838 Points:750,910 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:42:42 AM Ignore dwbuddy Report Abuse they have had many Universities waste (tax payer) money on Hydrogen power. We even did some studies on it back in my day 20 years ago.....It gets professors grants and never goes anywhere afterward. Back then they said it could be available by 2010..and we are at 2013. Good luck on getting more taxpayer money for grants on Hydrogen. There is a wide gap between today's capabilities for hydrogen production, storage and use and those required for the clean energy future. To be economically competitive with the present fossil fuel economy, the cost of fuel cells must be lowered by a factor of ten or more and the cost of producing hydrogen must be lowered by a factor of four. In addition, the performance and reliability of hydrogen and fuel cell technologies must be improved dramatically. By sponsoring long-term innovative, high-risk/high-payoff basic research, the DOE Hydrogen and Fuel Cells Program is working to narrow this gap. ....since 1991 or somewhere in there. You notice they never put dates on anything related to this research to show how long it has been sucking money from the taxpayers.
BigTruc All-Star Author Memphis Posts:962 Points:782,390 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:40:09 PM Ignore BigTruc Report Abuse waste
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:5,357 Points:1,598,730 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:06:56 PM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse NO NO NO!!!!!! I can not wait for the day that enough Americans break out of their brain washed state and kick the professional politicians destroying the country out.
dave27johnson Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,790 Points:410,260 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:49:50 PM Ignore dave27johnson Report Abuse Needs improvements.
tankumo Veteran Author Vancouver Posts:398 Points:69,905 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 9:51:09 PM Ignore tankumo Report Abuse Yeah, taxpayers money at work for sure.
CVA19 Champion Author Salem Posts:2,393 Points:610,450 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 9:24:23 PM Ignore CVA19 Report Abuse There we go, another half-million dollar grant, compliments of the US taxpayer.
investmentdr Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,034 Points:1,456,025 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 8:40:06 PM Ignore investmentdr Report Abuse keep pushing
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knutzAL Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,248 Points:372,680 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 6:39:23 PM Ignore knutzAL Report Abuse hydro on demand.
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BIGALRPH Veteran Author St. Louis Posts:418 Points:148,365 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:36:17 PM Ignore BIGALRPH Report Abuse I take a wait and see approach. The over all cost of ownership will be the deciding factor of how quick we go!
ktbaeohana Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:2,311 Points:422,975 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:20:59 PM Ignore ktbaeohana Report Abuse watch and see.
Pramodsharma Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,974 Points:388,140 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:48:02 PM Ignore Pramodsharma Report Abuse Not a bad idea, we can reach to more than 400 million miles without fueling once, let's have more discoveries which take to us office, grocery stores and please drive instead of taking on Mars.
JamesCalvin Champion Author Lancaster Posts:3,191 Points:520,530 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:45:30 PM Ignore JamesCalvin Report Abuse Temporary push!
MImusicman Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,878 Points:408,650 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:37:54 PM Ignore MImusicman Report Abuse Go ahead and push BUT USE PRIVATE MONEY...we don't need more Solyndras!!! [Edited by: MImusicman at 1/5/2013 3:39:30 PM EST]
pilotmass Champion Author Boston Posts:1,831 Points:503,585 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:20:54 PM Ignore pilotmass Report Abuse Discover? BMW has this all figured out for decades. Hydrogen is a dead end for fueling cars
BUSMAN1105 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,164 Points:1,171,935 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:14:04 PM Ignore BUSMAN1105 Report Abuse SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nicoalbum Champion Author Ottawa Posts:6,027 Points:1,190,000 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:13:08 PM Ignore Nicoalbum Report Abuse It`s a kind of support for young researchers, not a serious investment into the project
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SteveSeattle All-Star Author Seattle Posts:549 Points:172,160 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:04:37 PM Ignore SteveSeattle Report Abuse ok
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jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:5,882 Points:1,520,280 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:44:47 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse Technology worth investing in.
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NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,105 Points:1,624,380 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:51:43 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse The usual rambling misinformation and old wives tales BigRedVTX. Not surprising from a Big Oil investor nsdp. Too bad you can't stand any competition for your precious crude!
gizbo123 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,517 Points:1,752,920 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:49:59 PM Ignore gizbo123 Report Abuse All inventions for cheap fuel is bought up and shelved.
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,105 Points:1,624,380 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:48:40 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse They are here now Zuegma! Just check with Honda and now Toyota. They have the cars and are now investing in the infrastructure. Hydrogen is the future as an abundant and renewable energy source. The effort noted in this great news article is just one of hundreds to develop better and greater capacity storage.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,271 Points:2,372,345 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:38:36 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse most of us wont see this in our lifetimes, im still waiting on the george jeton predictions of many years ago
Zuegma All-Star Author Nova Scotia Posts:993 Points:258,880 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:02:11 PM Ignore Zuegma Report Abuse There's indeed still a lot of research/development needed to get hydrogen propelled vehicles. But the ensured clean burning makes it far superior to most pursued alternatives. Storage and distribution of it is a key challenge for the use of the technology. Supply of water isn't. We have oceans surrounding all continents that are becoming a menace because of their increasing height. The more of it we could use productively, the better off the planet would be. Right now it requires a small engine (fuel cell) but a large gas tank and there isn't the infrastructure to make it available (yet). The "long term" solution though is converting black matter (i.e.: anti-matter) into matter. Propultion galore: you'd arrive before you even left. :)
bisonjim Champion Author Florida Posts:1,060 Points:207,955 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:57:29 PM Ignore bisonjim Report Abuse Lots of research to do before really becoming viable
evowner Champion Author Salem Posts:2,187 Points:360,235 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:54:19 PM Ignore evowner Report Abuse Hydrogen powering a fuel cell, producing electricity for an electric car. Why not wireless charging of EV instead?
BigRedVTX All-Star Author Georgia Posts:877 Points:504,030 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:45:00 PM Ignore BigRedVTX Report Abuse If I recall, Chrysler, years ago had a turbine unit that ran off of Hydrogen. At the time NTSB (or it's then equivalent) made them take it off the road as "unsafe". Later, many attempts were made at gas out of water schemes. In fact, wasn't too awfully long ago, there was an inventor that said he had a vehicle that ran on water. My guess is that electrolysis was his method, but we'll never really know.
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fuel2use Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,493 Points:734,300 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:36:11 PM Ignore fuel2use Report Abuse Push like in push start. Make me think of a old clunker that needs your buddy's to get it going so you can pop the clutch.
nsdp Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,117 Points:47,315 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:31:45 PM Ignore nsdp Report Abuse The need for water or natural gas to make hydrogen an environmentally poor choice. They need to think this all the way through.