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WR-INC

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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:34:42 AM

Back in 2009, President Obama’s “Cash for Clunkers ” program was supposed to be a boon for the environment and the economy. During a limited time, consumers could trade in an old gas-guzzling used car for up to $4,500 cash back towards the purchase of a fuel-efficient new car. It seemed like a win for everyone: the environment , the gasping auto industry and cash-strapped consumers.

Though almost a million people poured into car dealerships eager to exchange their old jalopies for something shiny and new, recent reports indicate the entire program may have actually hurt the environment far more than it helped.

According to E Magazine, the “Clunkers” program, which is officially known as the Car Allowance Rebates System (CARS), produced tons of unnecessary waste while doing little to curb
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doctorindyj
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:26:18 PM

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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danandmary
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 6:54:14 AM

We knew it back then!!!!!
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1Dragon2012
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 2:14:56 AM

YEs...It's hurt our business, right. I own the Junkyards in L.A. I had going thru. the regulations and business problems right now.
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MAC48
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:02:51 AM

The program met the primary objective of boosting sales for GM, Ford and Chrysler at a very critical time for the US auto industry. The foolish move in the regulations was the requirement to destroy the vehicles traded in. A much better move would have been to let owners of even older and more inefficient vehicles trade in their even older models for the "cash for clunker" trade ins.

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nsdp
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 6:00:21 PM

No every one seems to forget the original primary goal which was to get Ford , GM and Chrysler and other American auto plants back to making cars and trucks. The environmental rules were to prevent Cadillac Escalades from qualifying. Boy could I make fools out of posters here on the witness stand.
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Sego
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 4:57:25 PM

Very wasteful. Some or most of the engines could have been great rebuilds.
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bwatchingu
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:18:32 AM

Cash for Clunkers-A big stupid waste.
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rampower80
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:01:59 AM

My father traded in his small pickup truck for a Ford F-150 with the Cash for Clunkers deal. Small pickup to extra large pickup under the program. Hmmmmm! I don't think that was what congress intended.

Most of the vehicles were shredded and not recycled.
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bigt61
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 9:53:54 AM

Yeah, I witnessed a lot of nice cars get scraped for no reason. Mercedes included. Sad, bureaucrats screw up everything they touch..........and spend our money doing it. The liberal MSM gives all these Obama flunkies a pass.
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blupupher
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:54:50 AM

big surprise there
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John747
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:36:57 AM

Is anyone surprised that our government screwed things up with this program? But don't worry.......that same government is going to start running your health care.
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genoist
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 7:25:21 AM

If the trade ins were not clunkers, they should have been resold.
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truvoice1
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:25:37 AM

As a junk yard crawler, I was amazed to see so many 'nice' cars that were traded in as part of this program. And many of them were 2005 and later cars that were low mileage and in good condition! The well to do owners who didn't need the money were the ones who took advantage of this program. What a farce!
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pricewar
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:18:35 AM

Too many whoops in this Obama administration
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iFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 3:12:27 AM

another example of unintended consequences
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Amplion
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 2:57:57 AM

This is as the majority VOTED !!!!!!!!!!!
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pricewar
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 2:04:19 AM

What change will do to the environment. Stupid is what stupid does
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MadFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 2:03:16 AM

If all those recyclable components went into landfills once the vehicles were shredded, that seems to be the fault of the scrapyards, not the program itself. But it sounds like, from what a couple other respondents are saying, that that's not what happened at all. So what's really going on?
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pulpwood
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:36:45 AM

so did katrina and sandy.
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CivicMA
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:12:37 AM

Leave it to the gov't to screw everything up.
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NedW
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:09:10 AM

Say it aint so.
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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 12:53:06 AM

Just pile all the cars in Oblama's backyard in Chi....
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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 12:52:18 AM

of course, no one ever thinks long term...thank Oblama for that!!
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dh0770
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 12:46:35 AM

Another obama taxpayer funded failure!
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leeac
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 12:31:18 AM

This was a boost to the economy at that time. Overall, it was a very good program.
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oilfreak
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 12:17:46 AM

Another epic fail.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 12:06:47 AM

Not surprising.
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:50:08 PM

"Cash For Clunkers hurt much more than the "Environment" but it's good that they are coming around to admitting some faults with the program.
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sillywagon
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:35:59 PM

I remember when the "Cash for clunkers" was happening that it was hurting the profitability of junkyards. The most valuable parts of a junk car, the engine and transmission had to be destroyed. Than with a glut of junk cars the price of scrap metal went down in price.

Only bureaucrats could think "clash for clunkers" was a good idea.
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Tekkersmom57
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:35:29 PM

Perfectly said, Zuegma!
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esq262
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:27:25 PM

D'oh
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CVA19
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 9:25:52 PM

Let's see, we already knew that cash for clunkers was bad for the taxpayers; now we find out that it was bad for the environment.

What was it good for, again?
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alterman156
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 7:50:44 PM

Cash for clunkers was a farce.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 7:47:05 PM

We already knew it was another bad idea from Obammy, this is just anther aspect of how stupid his "ideas" are.
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playtimeCLE
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 7:24:39 PM

They sure sis not think this one through. Leaves you wondering what our government does think through.
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schatzila
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 6:54:13 PM

I disagree.
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doeslayersr
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 6:53:57 PM

Details, details. Now be a good little communist, marxists, socialist, liberal, democrat or eco left terrorist and get with the administration's programs and shut up.
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Grizdad
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 6:32:33 PM

These policies will haunt us for a long, long, time...
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CheapDiesel
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 5:40:54 PM

Government needs to get out of the social engineering and stick to what the Constitution says it is responsible for...I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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clpassenubye
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 5:38:08 PM

A very poorly thought out program but I guess its on par for this adminstration
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 5:26:18 PM

This Administration couldn't organize a one car parade.
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eschroth442
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 5:16:30 PM

just another proof that allowing the government into a program is a sure way to get opposite of what you wanted
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Radar1992
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:41:59 PM

One more piece of evidence that this administration does not think their policies through....
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:15:45 PM

E Magazine states recycling just the plastic and metal alone from the CARS scraps would have saved 24 million barrels of oil. While some of the “Clunkers” were truly old, many of the almost 700,000 cars were still in perfectly good condition. In fact, many that qualified for the program were relatively “young,” with fuel efficiencies that rivaled newer cars.
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hmw10284
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:13:04 PM

In this case the law of unintended consequences was ignored and then combined with the laws of foreseeable but ignored consequences causing more harm than good both environmentally and to tax payers who will shoulder the economic burden of these actions. The "green idiots" who really don't bother to understand how their actions affect the environment. They are controlled by the democratic party whose logic is if you don't agree with us you are evil was aided by the administrations desire to make it look like the bail out of auto companies worked by giving massive incentives for people buy cars thus making the bail out look like a good idea when all it really did was increase the cost of the bail out to tax payers by the cost of the CARS program and the cost of the environmental mess it has created.
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TC5504
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:09:44 PM

Another great idea gone bad.
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Pramodsharma
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:53:23 PM

Election is over, Let's talk which makes sense. The waste was already existing. This is "New" hawk that can get place here.
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BurntOrange
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:53:05 PM

Scrapping cars that ran and replacing with new wasted energy?

Wow, you'd need to be a rocket surgeon to figure that out.
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MImusicman
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:41:47 PM

DUH!!! It just shows what govt incompetence and interference with the free market does. They spent money we didn't have, drove up car prices for lower income people (the ones the Dems say they represent better) and now this enviro issue
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MrLefty0706
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:37:17 PM

The program creators did not think through the consequences.
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