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NOTSOGRN Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,055 Points:1,508,620 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:40:48 AM Ignore NOTSOGRN Report Abuse More than 9,000 megawatts of coal-fired generation were retired in the United States in 2012 as stricter federal pollution standards moved closer to reality and cheaper natural gas made coal plants less attractive economically, according to a Reuters survey of power generators. U.S. companies have retired or announced plans to shut or convert more than 36,000 MW of older coal-fired plants over the next few years as they work to reduce emissions in advance of new environmental rules and shift to less-expensive natural gas. Eventually, the transition from coal may shut as much as 60,000 MW to 100,000 MW of coal-fired generation across the country, according to various industry estimates. Coal plants account for about 316 gigawatts (GW) of generation in the United States, or about 30%... Visit Reuters for full article

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More than 9,000 megawatts of coal-fired generation were retired in the United States in 2012 as stricter federal pollution standards moved closer to reality and cheaper natural gas made coal plants less attractive economically, according to a Reuters survey of power generators.

U.S. companies have retired or announced plans to shut or convert more than 36,000 MW of older coal-fired plants over the next few years as they work to reduce emissions in advance of new environmental rules and shift to less-expensive natural gas.

Eventually, the transition from coal may shut as much as 60,000 MW to 100,000 MW of coal-fired generation across the country, according to various industry estimates.

Coal plants account for about 316 gigawatts (GW) of generation in the United States, or about 30%...
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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,590 Points:1,606,595 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 6:06:18 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse wonder how many lives that reduction in particulate matter saves.
MAC48 Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,546 Points:763,345 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 1:32:00 AM Ignore MAC48 Report Abuse In the mid 1970s there was a prohibition on building new natural gas fired power plants to keep domestic natural gas supplies available for other industrial uses following the Arab Oil Embargo in 1972 or 1973. Electric companies were basically forced to turn to coal when building new power plants. Now that natural gas has fallen from the $12 to $15 range to the $3 to $4 dollar range per mmbtu combined with the new environmental push by the Obama administration, natural gas has become the current best choice for new electric power generation plants. The simple fact is that electric power can be produced in the quantities required by either coal or natural gas but many other industries, such as the chemical industry, cannot use coal and must use natural gas. Keep tuned in folks because if you live long enough this story will again turn back to coal being the electric power generation fuel of choice for new power plants when the inevitable rise in natural gas prices occurs due to a rise in price or governmental edict to assure adequate natural gas supplies for industries that must have natural gas to remain viable.
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Catfish93001 Champion Author Ventura Posts:1,200 Points:247,205 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 1:04:15 PM Ignore Catfish93001 Report Abuse And then the price of natural gas goes up....
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jkpsr Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,069 Points:1,099,855 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 2:09:51 AM Ignore jkpsr Report Abuse We will not miss the coal fired plants. Wait until clean coal gets perfected, although natural gas may remain the cheapest solution.
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jrschl Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,952 Points:678,140 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 12:07:43 AM Ignore jrschl Report Abuse I hope they stick to their work and open the plant after they upgrade the facility. I foresee energy costs going up because they do not reopen the plant.
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Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:410,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:58:03 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse I still want to know what these "clean" coal facilities do with all of their mercury-laden fly ash, @thomas41546. Coal leaves behind ash when it's been burned and it's pretty nasty stuff. You don't want any getting into your rivers and streams.
mfeldstein Champion Author Ottawa Posts:8,161 Points:1,928,430 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:56:43 PM Ignore mfeldstein Report Abuse Less coal more renewable.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:410,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:56:04 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse The problem with wanting to have both coal, and natural gas plants, @Carol7777 is that the industry hates to have any excess capacity when it comes to electricity production. They want their powerplants running at full throttle 24/7. If you have both, then one kind of plant has to be idle while the other one is producing power.
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HA4CNN Champion Author Toronto Posts:5,604 Points:1,539,490 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:54:30 PM Ignore HA4CNN Report Abuse The fuel of the future is natural gas but it has a lot less calories than any other fuel.
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DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,605 Points:3,491,680 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:53:11 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse I would think that this has a lot to do with EPA regulations by the Obama administration to make coal use more expensive.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:410,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:53:09 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse The Cold War's over @wayoung56. No need to fear the commie pinkos anymore. Besides, I doubt you could still recognize one.
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DarthDadJr Champion Author Virginia Posts:7,297 Points:1,518,045 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:49:49 PM Ignore DarthDadJr Report Abuse Makes sense...the abundance of NG created by fracking has made coal plants costly to operate.
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:5,976 Points:1,109,385 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:49:19 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse Then we can export all of our coal to China to be burned in their coal plants and they can deal with all the air pollution, just hope it stays over there... Wonder what happens when the EPA/TreeHuggers shuts down Fracking???
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:410,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:49:01 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse I think @357revo doesn't want to believe in climate change because he secretly wants beachfront property in Pittsburgh.
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vibdata Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,079 Points:847,350 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:48:24 PM Ignore vibdata Report Abuse Boy oh boy. And I thought this was an article about 9000 retirements this year from a power company. Well, if this much power's going offline, I guess the people are too.