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FlatulenceOdor

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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 1:18:45 PM

Supporters of natural-gas drilling say a year-old draft state Health Department report that’s been kept under wraps — but that was leaked this week — proves what they’ve said all along: that properly regulated fracking in upstate New York would be safe.


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52MPG
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 2:16:43 AM

If you have problems from fracking hoe do you unfrack?
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DrCashFlow
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 2:03:36 AM

spin to win
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:32:49 PM

Zuegma, great post. You must realize though that there are those that will ignore your post. They will not consider the common sense you show and they will completely overlook the facts in favor of fear, paranoia and propaganda.
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zudo
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:11:59 PM

@Zuegma

How can we continue to fear the unknown when you report evidence and knowledge of the topic? You must be called out as an enemy of consensus and delegitimized! Or ignored.Good post, keep it up.
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endymion
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 8:55:01 AM

the key words are "properly regulated".

and safe according to what standard?
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TurkishMan
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:59:45 AM

safe ? since when?
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iFueler
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:03:43 AM

time to get the FACTS out in the open once and for all and learn whether or fracking is believed to be safe
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JohnofGB
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:34:19 AM

Do not tell the eco-terrorists that. They will have to make up some new fantasy about fracking.
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ScottTee
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:20:45 AM

Big controversy on this one .
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MN1
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:10:28 AM

Sure... must be a conspiracy.
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andy1024
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:58:14 PM

Nice to ar.
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Lugi1967
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:16:46 PM

ok
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listerone
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:49:03 PM

Western Marxists have never lets facts get in the way of achieving their goals.They won't let this stop them.
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csblesson
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:46:44 PM

Why I it secret then?
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CdnLynx
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:45:32 PM

NY State presently does NOT allow fracking; so then their citizens are presently not exposed to the effects of fracking; yet NY state Health says fracking is not harmful.
Based on what conclusions, that all NY Citizens are healthy, so then fracking must not have an effect on their citizens.
If based on this false conclusion, then the report is a total fallacy!
NY Post, pretty sad journalism.
Is the NY Post part of the R. Murdoch/faux news; dis-credible/despicable news twisting journalism.
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TomT2Lee
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:34:55 PM

It would be a good start if they would test it in DC; at least a 1000 times to be sure.
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VomVom
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:21:39 PM

Cuomo, a Democrat; it says it all!! If it does not suit the left liberal greenie agenda, cover it up!!
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jl1rp
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:03:22 PM

Not good the GOV on this. Just more money wasted in the courthouse over this.
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teenitup
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:00:32 PM

Again, why does Governor Cuomo cover the facts up?
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SammyAdams
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:39:28 PM

From the article: "Supporters of natural-gas drilling say a year-old draft state Health Department report that’s been kept under wraps"

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Why would a government agency suppress this information?
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NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:01:56 PM


When did Rupert Murdoch purchase the NY Post??

"“New York can create more than 25,000 jobs, save family farms, keep families together and lift entire communities by moving forward with safe natural-gas development,” said New York State Petroleum Council Executive Director Karen Moreau.

Brad Gill, executive director of the Independent Oil & Gas Association of New York, said, “We just certainly hope that the obstacles will stop being thrown in the way and the industry can begin drilling here.”"

Of course the NY State Petroleum Council plus the Independent Oil & Gas Assoc. believe this faux news. Just the usual industry spin and bull.
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ktbaeohana
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:22:37 PM

watch and see.
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Pozole
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 7:05:49 PM

...and what "experts" got paid off to report this ?...there "AREN'T ANY CRACKS" in the rock that lead to ground water...

[Edited by: Pozole at 1/4/2013 7:08:09 PM EST]
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kkimes
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:46:07 PM

If it's a secret, how would they know that? Besides I don't believe it anyway. Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
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mpg611
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:35:37 PM

Well we probably already knew that except a few bad apples wanted to make fracking sound like a crappy thing.
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kag2010
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:22:40 PM

yeah..."
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mastermariner
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 5:39:43 PM

The only way fluides from the well bore can enter the ground water is if the casing and cement job is not %100, and believe me it happens and usually ends up in a blow out.
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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 5:38:38 PM

yeah..."properly regulated"...no one takes shortcuts to make more $$$..and no one really knows what the long term effects will e by disturbing the natural formations that have been forever stable...
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doeslayersr
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 5:35:06 PM

Well, who would have thought that?
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 5:18:21 PM


..."properly regulated fracking in upstate New York would be safe."

Of course, that's the point. These fracking corporations lack proper regulatory oversight and are screwing up the environment and harming humans.
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Pramodsharma
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 5:09:02 PM

Good 'F' word, always shows error so added in dictionary after this report.
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JCI46009IN
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 4:41:45 PM

NO FRACKING Way
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mikaye
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 4:36:55 PM

depends on who is reporting
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thizben
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 4:34:27 PM

In other NY POST news they have finally proven that the sky is actually pink.
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Zuegma
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 4:25:40 PM

Your typical groundwater is typically much less than 1,000 feet.

Shallow gas plays where hydraulic fracturing is used is anywhere from 2 to 4,000 feet. You can not lift/break through thousand of feet of overburden from hydraulic fracturing: they create at most 50 to 60 yards fractures proped up with sand to prevent the fracture from closing when the pressure is stopped. The chemicals used are typically a lead acid (hydrochloric) to clean out the wellbore perforations (a couple hundred gallons which are rapidly spent)followed by thousands of gallons of water and in the later stages with sand (having fluidizer chemicals to keep the sand from clumping. When the fractures occur, the pressure drops and the well/fluids are then flowed & pumped back.

Unless the annular space between the original well bore bit size and the external well casing's outer diameter has not been properly cemented, then it is impossible for the fluids/hydrocarbons to migrate up to the (typically surficial) aquifers. You can not accumulate hydrocarbons unless some of the overlying layers act as barriers.

In most countries around the world, oil companies have to provide measured proof that their casing was successfully cemented (and when flaws were detected, that cement squeeze(s)were performed to correct zones without hydraulic integrity).

In North America alone, some 100,000 plus wells have underwent some form of hydraulic fracturing safely in the last 40 years. It's nothing new!
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fedupMN
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 4:10:10 PM

Still remains to be seen
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Jeff1944
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 3:46:50 PM

What is properly regulated fracking? How much regulation is not enough or too much?
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gizbo123
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 3:31:46 PM

Nothing is kept under wraps to get an agenda over. I like that fracking word to btw. Use to use fricken.
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investmentdr
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 3:10:28 PM

if it's from the Post it MUST be true
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joseph000
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 2:31:01 PM

In this article:

“What was in this draft was not based on any science, was not based on any analysis,”

Ah ha...

I suppose the pro-fracking fools will take a pro-fracking cartoon as evidence, but fortunately most know better.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 2:22:36 PM

imagine that
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1970vette
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 2:08:10 PM

good
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amoshins
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 2:02:44 PM

not a secret to me
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djwhit
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 1:57:39 PM

THEY GET IT DONE........
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tankumo
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 1:38:22 PM

If they worry about ground water contamination, then use different technology like gasfrac.

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