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LetemEatCake

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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:42:50 AM

MARIN COUNTY, Calif. (KGO) -- Seven On Your Side is hearing complaints from a lot of homeowners these days who have solar panels on their rooftops. Many say they are paid too little for the surplus power they feed to the grid. PG&E says rates are actually set by regulators.

An estimated 65,000 PG&E customers have solar panels on their rooftops. The power they produce offsets their electric bills. However, many are producing much more energy than they use and by law their credits are wiped out at the end of the year. So some homeowners say that's a giveaway and now they're plugging in more appliances in an effort to use up their excess energy.

Mary Minton makes good use of the sun that beats down on her Sonoma house. With 18 solar panels, she's producing enough power for her house
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:51:11 PM


Thanks to everyone for such great comments!
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 5:59:49 PM

It's only reasonable that people get paid the wholesale rate for what they return to the grid.
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remay
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:22:09 PM

"Piotter took a different route. Instead of taking a small sum, he's using up his electricity. He said, "It would be a lot smarter for us just to use our electricity rather than sell the surplus to PG&E." Piotter replaced a gas heater with this electric one. It devoured his surplus and he cut down his gas bill. "

There you go, problem solved! Man, people can't just be satisfied!
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DanMtz
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 11:35:21 AM

The PUC is PG&E's best friend.
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CityCouponer
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:24:26 PM

It sucks that their credits are wiped out at the end of the year.
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PDQBlues
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 5:22:19 PM


California citizens receive nothing for the excess energy generated by solar power. PG&E is a horrendously lousy company and the legislators have been bribed to keep it that way.
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tankumo
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 1:55:36 PM

Before we install solar panel we need to work out the math.

It may be better to use the money to invest in oil companies and receive the dividends to pay for our utility.

For example, a $10,000 solar panel, use the money to buy oil company stock to receive 5% dividend, that's $500 a year. Can solar panel generate $500 power sold to electric company?

We need to do intese math here.

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BburgCW
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 12:46:22 PM

Who paid for the solar panels in the first place?
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 12:42:25 PM

For the life of me I don't see how plugging in more appliances helps their bottom line
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dodsworth
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 12:32:07 PM

Too much energy? Just quibbling over who pays how much when and other contract issues? Nicer problem to have than the reverse.
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peakkeller
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:58:29 AM

Strange
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HorizonChaser
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:57:38 AM

Fight! Fight! Fight!

and in this fight the lawyers will be the big winners

[Edited by: HorizonChaser at 1/4/2013 11:58:51 AM EST]
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evowner
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:29:00 AM

The corporate world protects its bottom line using lobbyists to write their laws.
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mitt4prez
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:07:02 AM

Believe what the govt tells you---but won't put in writing---and you deserve what you get. Even if they put it in writing, you deserve what you get.
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Sego
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:59:09 AM

Use it or lose it.
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md11capt
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:54:40 AM

Smells like Enron
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JamesCalvin
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:36:14 AM

It is important to read the fine print, if there is any fine print to read!
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Buckeyee
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:33:37 AM

If you can afford to have solar panels instlled, just be glad you have no electric bills.
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crep1291
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:30:04 AM

4c/kWh sounds a bit low...
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YaBassa
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:25:31 AM

PG&E = Utilities rip off the best way around it:

"Piotter took a different route. Instead of taking a small sum, he's using up his electricity. He said, "It would be a lot smarter for us just to use our electricity rather than sell the surplus to PG&E." Piotter replaced a gas heater with this electric one. It devoured his surplus and he cut down his gas bill."
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deputydog082
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:12:20 AM

it's all about the $$$
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badbonita
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:03:04 AM

I know that pennies add up but seriously, PG&E's payments are not encouraging people to "sell" their excess energy to them.
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:59:56 AM

hahahahahahahaha
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FPLREP
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:51:29 AM

People call me all the time at my job(I work for a small municipal utility) and state that they KNOW they didn't use as much as they were billed. I ask them what are they using as their way of telling. They have no idea what they are using. The excuses range from (I am never there, I work all day) I tell them I have yet to run across a motion-sensored thermostat!
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MrDeath666
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:46:01 AM

It's California. What did you expect?
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werich44
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:38:14 AM

Just one more way California steals from the public.
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skempton
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:37:56 AM

Should have read the contract first.
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Rockyguitar
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:33:08 AM

This always seems to be the case. Conservation = lower revenues. Raise rates so profits keep increasing is the end result.
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roadrunnin
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:33:01 AM

surprised anyone expected the utility to "play fair" they are in business to make money
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Point__man
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:19:35 AM

Doubt Marin County needs to worry; but, utilities in some parts of the country could go broke if the majority of their customers turned to solar during the day expecting free energy in return at night + getting paid for the excess. Doubt their overall expenses are going down any; yet their income goes down considerably. What would those solar customers do if the utility wasn't there to supply them at night ? Would think Marin county utilities could sell off that excess quite easily & rapidly in California.
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craigsfrank
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:14:50 AM

Another solar flop! Way to go Obama!!!!
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eschroth442
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:08:54 AM

you expect the government or a government sponsored monopoly to be fair. What turnip truck did you fall off of.
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bsnort
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:06:18 AM

moonbeam to the rescue..................
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peabeax55
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:59:43 AM

I would personally NEVER trust the state of California or PG&E to play fair.
Let this be a lesson.
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hotwire43
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:59:37 AM

Sounds like these people are not being rewarded for the big investment they made.
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Luckylindy
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:56:31 AM

Thats what happens when you give government subsidies.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:55:51 AM

These people sound mighty GREEDY! Quick plug in another appliance since we're not getting other people's money!

[Edited by: drpepperTX at 1/4/2013 8:58:01 AM EST]
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RAJNY
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:55:21 AM

what
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bcline909
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:55:04 AM

hmm
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gbs1
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:51:41 AM

It makes sense they are being paid the spot rate for their surplus Kwh since that is the wholesale rate utilities pay other suppliers.
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HoosierDaddyKY
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:49:27 AM

Well...
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merlinCO
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 8:49:24 AM

They produce too much power at the generation plant and this is going to be a growing trend.
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