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Huntingdog

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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 2:33:57 PM

The Delta Energy Center, a power plant about an hour outside San Francisco, was roaring at nearly full bore one day last month, its four gas and steam turbines churning out 880 megawatts of electricity to the California grid.

On the horizon, across an industrial shipping channel on the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, scores of wind turbines stood dead still. The air was too calm to turn their blades — or many others across the state that day. Wind provided just 33 megawatts of power statewide in the midafternoon, less than 1% of the potential from wind farms capable of producing 4,000 megawatts of electricity.
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LetemEatCake
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 10:30:02 PM


Bears repeating, "large capacity energy storage will be needed for wind and solar energy if to be depended upon for extended periods of time". -IFueler

Excellent point!
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 9:42:40 AM

Renewables are just weak, period.
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ClarkSC
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 7:39:03 AM

It will require subsidies.
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djgunrunner
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 2:53:12 AM

At times like this I wonder just how much the wind energy is costing when it has to be augmented by real and dependable power supplies that are probably bought on the spot market at a higher rate. Thank goodness for Jerry Brown and his Ship Of Fools. But then it is hard for me to feel sorry for the fools that elected him, they got what they voted for.

[Edited by: djgunrunner at 12/11/2012 2:54:27 AM EST]
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iFueler
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 12:47:44 AM

large capacity energy storage will be needed for wind and solar energy if to be depended upon for extended periods of time
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EdWoods
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:22:57 PM

Idiots Abound.......
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doghaulr
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 9:21:42 PM

Well duh, it takes power to make the 'parts' for the windmills even if they aren't churning, don't see them making these 'renewable' parts from renewable energy....renewable is for 'back-up' as we don't have anything stable other than geothermal or fossil fuels. Solar = cloudy, wind power well sometimes the wind doesn't blow, well unless obummer is talking, maybe just have him stand in front of a farm of windmills and tell him to keep up his 'promises'!!
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nsdp
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 7:05:35 PM

This is an old old old story. Texas has been dealing with this for 10 years now. Renewables other than geothermal are erratic but the low amount of fuel used to provide spinning reserve is maybe 10% of the fuel they replace. Load tracking is done with NG and the wind shuts down coal. So fuel saved is about equal to the amount to coal shut down because of 30% better efficiency rates for the NG plants and the NG plants at FULL load only use 40% of the water a coal plant does. That really makes a difference in California, Arizona and Nevada. The reporter rather blindly ignored the pumped storage and hydro operated by the US Bureau of Reclamation in the WECC.

Another reporter who needs to go back to school and take geology and anatomy. That way the reporter would know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Don't put to much faith in any story you read on the net. Remember the authors are English majors who usually know next to nothing about what they write. GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT.

[Edited by: nsdp at 12/10/2012 7:11:54 PM EST]
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kag2010
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 5:49:11 PM

They have no incentive to do so.
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csblesson
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 5:00:46 PM

Oh yes! This this the absolute truth
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Rappcommuter
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 3:15:41 PM

Let's think about this, if there weren't any renewable resources, wouldn't we still require at least as much of the fossil fuels?
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uglytom
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 3:09:48 PM

ANOTHER UNEXPECTED OCCURENCE!
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doggod
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 2:50:12 PM

>> Borenstein said state legislators and the governor did not consider all of the details, such as unleashing this new demand for fossil fuel generators, when they set the 33% mandate for renewable energy.<<

Of course not. They have no incentive to do so. Their only incentive is to do things that will make them look good in the short term so they can get re-elected.

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humblepie
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 2:49:32 PM

reality strikes eco nutz recoil
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