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msgt_usa
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UAW President Bob King got an early lump of coal in his Christmas stocking from Michigan Republican Gov. Rick Snyder last week when Snyder agreed to support right-to-work legislation.

The governor's about-face on the issue -- he had earlier pledged to steer away from that fight -- will damage the UAW inside and outside Michigan, said Dave Cole, chairman emeritus of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich.

Under right-to-work legislation, employees cannot be required to join a union or pay union dues. Cole said UAW dues at the Detroit 3 are equivalent to two hours of wages per month, or about $600 per member per year.

Twenty-three states, mostly in the South, have right-to-work laws.

Cole said the UAW will lose credibility with auto workers it is trying to or
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Tekkersmom57
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 12:24:40 PM

Great post, jimgraham! Very well said!!!!
blupupher
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 10:21:15 AM

I totally agree MAC48.
NHLiveFree, this is not the 1800 or 1900's any more, Unions made a huge improvement in working conditons, but we now have OSHA and the EOA that helps with these things.
MAC48
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 2:18:30 AM

As much as we owe to the labor union movement from the mid 1800s to the mid 1900s for improvements in the work place that we enjoy today, it should not be legal to force any worker to join a union in order to have a job in any US state. Hope Michigan can join the other 23 right-to-work states in the near future.

At the same time, there should be no problem with a worker remaining in or joining a union in any US state if and only if that is the free will choice of the worker.
NHLiveFree
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2012 12:18:54 AM


It is certainly a real misnomer as it provides no rights to workers. It should be renamed the 'right to work at the will of employers'.

Take a guess as to how 'wondeful' working conditions, decent pay, and reasonable benefits would be without any unions. Ask the families of steel workers that were killed by Carnegie's Pinkertons how wonderful working for the steel industry used to be. Please ck with the families of mine workers executed by mine owner hired guns in the 20s and 30s how wonderful it was to be a coal miner working in extremely unsafe conditions. Quite a bit of amnesia in some comments here!
sillywagon
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:24:21 PM

Unions are a monopoly. You have to belong to a union if the place is unionized. Union leadership are deadbeats. Imagine if unions had to EARN their members membership, if union members could quit if the union was lousy, it would be great.

If unions could not be complacent monopolies, had to earn membership, and members could quit.... then unions would be excellent and awesome.

Instead they just protect people who drink booze and smoke pot while on the job.
Tacodan
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 6:53:43 PM

RTW !
clpassenubye
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 6:38:31 PM

This subject always brings up a lot of mixed feelings and contraversy
RAE344
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 5:05:13 PM

With out the freedom to work bill, it sounds like you are paying a tax to be able to work.
FlatulenceOdor
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 2:29:41 PM

@Yooperheart...."Guess were in for a color change, hummm?" LOL! Good One
Yooperheart
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 1:41:38 PM

Guess were in for a color change, hummm?
Rockyguitar
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 1:36:06 PM

I thought you folks were "pro-choice."
knutzAL
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 1:24:13 PM

We all should have the right to work. This definition is simply a provision that makes it harder to say no. The State nor business should be made to collect union dues without permission of the worker. The teachers union just lost a similar battle in Alabama and union enrollment has not dropped significanly.
eschroth442
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:39:33 PM

some unions are just to big for their own good. People should have the right not to join the union.
hmw10284
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:30:13 PM

Well deserved shot in the gut as it were.
hmw10284
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:29:14 PM

Good for them. After the Chrysler drinking and pot smoking UAW workers were reinstated even though there was clear evidence of their mis behavior this is what we should see from all states.
pilotmass
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:15:15 PM

Ho Ho Ho
Luckylindy
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:07:12 PM

I wish Wisconsin would do this?
PathfinderSC
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:04:37 PM

Each State should be a right to work.
jimgraham
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:01:04 PM

I have always considered Right to Work laws as reasonable, and in some cases, necessary.

Does it make the Unions job harder? Yes.

Does it free the employer from being forced to hire only Union members? Yes.

Does it do lots of damage to the Union? Maybe - but only when the Unions try to ride roughshod over the employers and the workers.

In the days of John L. Lewis and Samuel Gompers Unions were a necessary - tho sometimes evil - thing. Then the Unions became too powerful and hurt many companies and many many people. The pendulum has now swung the other way - mega corps are destroying peoples lives - all because of the chase after the almighty dollar. It is now time for the return of the Unions - but without the destructive powers of the past.

Unions will survive and prosper with Right to Work laws in place. They will just have to better serve ALL the citizens in this Great Country - union members or not.

darkform
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:20:12 AM

Might not be good for the Union.
OTISFL
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:08:54 AM

doeslayersr --you are right--should be the law of the land!!!
lesabreAZ
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 11:01:37 AM

$600 will buy a lot of gas.
Hawg1408
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:56:30 AM

Good for them.
SycamoreISU
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:55:16 AM

Unions are not the juggernaut they fancy themselves to be.
doeslayersr
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:50:03 AM

Good, the right to work law needs to be the LAW of the LAND (every State should have it on the books).
MrDeath666
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:47:45 AM

Nobody should be forced to join a union.
bruin19MD
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:40:47 AM

great article
reb4
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:40:38 AM

What? I wonder if the unions will try to shutdown state government like yokels in Wisconsin did...
lonewolfhead
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:38:34 AM

Good for workers
ErnieK9LO
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:37:15 AM

Under right to work laws, Unions need to work harder to get a good contract or the union woll loose members.
CVA19
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:37:10 AM

Just take a look at what happened in Wisconsin if you want a preview of the major hit union membership will take in Michigan.

With fewer people supporting him, Bob King is going to have to raise member dues in order to maintain his fat-cat lifestyle.

Right-to-work should be the law in EVERY state. If you want to join a union, fine; if don't want to join a union, fine. Union membership must NOT be a requirement for employment!
humblepie
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:36:19 AM

a dying breed, they jost wont admit it
Buckeyee
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:30:35 AM

Finally, auto workers will have a FREE choice to either join a union or not. When I worked for GM's Inland division in Dayton, Ohio. I was never given that American freedom. You had to belong to the union or you could not be hired. What did the United Rubber Workers union do, they shielded lazy employees who only worked 5 hrs, but was paid for 8. Went on expensive trips on "union " business. Passed a bylaw in Hawaii at a union convention that raised our dues whenever GM gave us a raised, or cost of living. Protected family members only, when GM was going to lay off regular union members. Unions, NO thanks !!!
cgrey8
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:30:27 AM

Why it is a law that you MUST join a union in 27 states across the nation is down right confusing to me. Why isn't this an option for all states? If people find value in their union, they'll join. If they don't, then they shouldn't be required to pay into it. To force membership is no different than a tax. I don't know about anybody else, but $600/year is a significant amount. If they aren't bringing worth to people OR are doing things people don't agree with, people should have the right to work without being forced into feeding a union.

Unions should be like any other service you pay for, they should have to supply value equal to or greater than their cost. If payment to them is optional, that should be good motivation to earn their keep.
JoeWino
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:29:16 AM

it should tell the UAW something if 40% of their workers would opt out, If it passes the inmates will no longer be running the asylum.
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