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BurntOrange

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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:42:13 AM

The Environmental Protection Agency's disclosure last month that Hyundai and Kia inflated fuel economy ratings over three years prompted industry observers to wonder whether the government is taking a more aggressive stance on policing the ratings, which largely are based on the honor system.

Consumers often have questioned automakers' gas mileage claims, especially when drivers' own calculations yield a different result. But rarely has the EPA called out a company and forced it to reimburse customers for exaggerating fuel economy.

"When something like this happens, the whole industry is hurt," said Robert Bienenfeld, senior manager of environment and energy strategy for Honda. "It's very important that people have confidence in the system. Even if there was not an event like this, ...
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DanMtz
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 7:55:47 PM

As usual, the answer is to disregard the EPA's mileage ratings. There are other much more reliable sources for this information.
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TruthMatters
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 2:59:54 PM

:EPA needs to get real- as in providing real world numbers- rather than giving us mileage numbers crunched out from a laboratory somewhere.
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ClarkSC
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 7:16:22 AM

Go after the others.
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Nancy&Len
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 6:32:25 AM

Get rid of the EPA instead!
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EvergreenON
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 6:13:10 AM

Promess
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iFueler
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:48:44 AM

time for realistic estimates
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rcornel
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:54:30 PM

They should!!!
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crep1291
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:39:42 PM

I'm not sure why the EPA doesn't test every single model available for sale in the US BEFORE they go out for sale.
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mitt4prez
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:27:57 PM

All Kia has to do is make a big campaign contribution and all will be well. Those dolts who think government regulators can't be captured by those they regulate need to go back to mainlining Hopenchange, purchased by their local Won peddler.
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Discovery02
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:09:30 PM

But we can always rely on businesses to only do what's in the best interests of the people right? TThat's why they don't need government oversight.
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schvanda63
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:46:21 PM

Now they can add Ford to their list.
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LostInNY
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:34:34 PM

Doubt the EPA will do anything, just another slap on the wrist
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kag2010
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:20:44 PM

If you drove downhill both ways that ok if can do it.
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Zuegma
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:58:25 PM

Ratings are typically set under a controlled set of conditions. They hardly reflect on how and where "we" might drive.
It doesn't hurt if once in a while the EPA performs a verification of claimed ratings.
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GingoutMD
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:41:16 PM

I have always used the manufacturer fuel ratings as a guide. I use the blogs to see what real mileage is obtained by real drivers in real situations.
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hrjjml
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:39:17 PM

EPA is useless period
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bcline909
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:13:07 PM

def cheating
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fedupMN
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:35:06 AM

Big surprise! KIA was criticized for their gas mileage reports and is sending back rebates to its customers.... So where are the rest of the car companies in their rebates? I own a 2012 KIA Sorento with the 2.4 4-cyl and at 55 mph I can get 35+ mpg, however at 70, depending on the wind anywhere from 22 to 27.
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uglytom
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:28:50 AM

Who verifies the numbers on the sticker?
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wrunner
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:02:54 AM

Fuel economy ratings are overrated.
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lesabreAZ
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:56:42 AM

The numbers worked, if you drove downhill both ways....
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ceklea
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:45:46 AM

One of the industry's challenges is that "many consumers don't understand that the EPA's fuel economy ratings are a guide post, not a promise."
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:28:14 AM

if they do ford is doomed, along
with gm and fiat.............
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bluebird1
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:21:48 AM

If ridiculously out, then they should or they do the testing & maybe will keep EPA busy & out of other things they shouldn't be in like Ethanol content. Ford's hybrid is 10 - 15 mpg off what 3 independent mag's testing acheived in mpg tests (ie. not just a writer jotting down what he got in a test drive). I have to assume reasonable drivers used with likely more than reasonable driving care & conditions not extreme...so this looks like a far cry from the Kia/Hyundai claims that were 1-3 mpg higher in tests than on sticker (their mini-SUV excluded).
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TripleHs
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:18:47 AM

cheating no doubt
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TripleHs
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:18:28 AM

cheating not doubt
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hornet17
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:12:34 AM

no one in their right mind would belive they would get the same numbers as EPA.
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Mota
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:02:46 AM

It would be nice for the EPA to actually use science and engineering to develop a real-world test that would allow consumers to compare models and also allow repeatable independent verification of results.

But substituting good scientific and engineering practices for political beliefs in their decision making process just isn't going to happen with the EPA.
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VomVom
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:00:38 AM

Not too long ago, Honda was sued for its mileage claim on the Civic hybrid. So Honda, Hyundai and Kia were caught. Who else over stated their mileage numbers but were not caught? May be it is time for the testing to be done by independent 3rd party laboratories.
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bar1035
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:59:27 AM

so where's the EPA on the newer Ford Fusion mileage exaggerations?
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Buckeyee
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:52:16 AM

Another repost of a repost !!
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orphancarguyPE
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:48:31 AM

So, we should shut down police forces because thieves hold up banks?
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RONALD777
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:43:52 AM

The EPA should be closed down.
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BurntOrange
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:43:13 AM

The EPA is tough at preventing energy production.

Helping the consumer, not so much.
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