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merlinCO Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,620 Points:337,395 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:35:02 AM Ignore merlinCO Report Abuse BOULDER - Passion turned to intimidation during public testimony at the Boulder County Commissioner meeting Tuesday night. Opponents of the process of Hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking,' made their voices heard as the county debates new regulations for the oil and gas industry. A group of opponents mobbed around an oil and gas industry representative in an effort to intimidate her, yelling she "wasn't welcome in Boulder." Boulder County has not updated the way it regulates the oil and gas industry for nearly 20 years. Before the county lifts the current moratorium on new applications, it is updating the regulations drillers would have to comply with. That drilling could include the controversial method of fracking. Most in attendance want a ban on fracking completely on Boulder Co Visit NBC 9 News Denver for full article

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BOULDER - Passion turned to intimidation during public testimony at the Boulder County Commissioner meeting Tuesday night.

Opponents of the process of Hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking,' made their voices heard as the county debates new regulations for the oil and gas industry.

A group of opponents mobbed around an oil and gas industry representative in an effort to intimidate her, yelling she "wasn't welcome in Boulder."

Boulder County has not updated the way it regulates the oil and gas industry for nearly 20 years.

Before the county lifts the current moratorium on new applications, it is updating the regulations drillers would have to comply with.

That drilling could include the controversial method of fracking.

Most in attendance want a ban on fracking completely on Boulder Co
Visit NBC 9 News Denver for full article

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SycamoreISU Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,040 Points:258,185 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 10:18:13 AM Ignore SycamoreISU Report Abuse Disagreeing on a topic is one thing, but threatening people is unacceptable regardless of which side you're on.
iFueler Champion Author Durham Posts:64,308 Points:174,750 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Dec 6, 2012 1:50:51 AM Ignore iFueler Report Abuse getting more and more contentious
doghaulr Rookie Author Denver Posts:62 Points:17,605 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:35:46 PM Ignore doghaulr Report Abuse Just drill new holes, but we are talking 'the peoples free republic of boulder' see what happens when you turn loose a bunch of tree huggers & legalize pot, they turn violent, just hit your hooka and drive your electric cars and when you need work done on your yurt, see what shows up but a GAS powered service truck, why because electric won't get you there
PDQBlues Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,054 Points:1,444,325 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:10:46 PM Ignore PDQBlues Report Abuse Gee, it would seem like the good citizens of Boulder prefer to keep their drinking water free of all those toxic fracking chemicals that get pumped into the ground water.
ktbaeohana Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:2,296 Points:420,700 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:42:11 PM Ignore ktbaeohana Report Abuse watch and seee.
playtimeCLE Champion Author Cleveland Posts:8,540 Points:1,540,375 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 6:31:04 PM Ignore playtimeCLE Report Abuse If you have not spent time in Boulder there is no way for you to understand what the place is like. I have never seen a town quite like it. Fracking might be fine in lots of places, but it is not for the people of that city/county.
TableTalk Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,184 Points:557,200 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 4:18:16 PM Ignore TableTalk Report Abuse So when the tax money leaves, and the citizen's taxes go up, you know who to blame: environmental wackos.
hmw10284 Champion Author California Posts:1,117 Points:193,225 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 3:10:41 PM Ignore hmw10284 Report Abuse "A group of opponents mobbed around an oil and gas industry representative in an effort to intimidate her, yelling she "wasn't welcome in Boulder." This is the lefts way of debating. Now if someone were to treat them the same way they would be accused of employing the politics of hate and interfering with their right of free speech.
mitt4prez Champion Author Tacoma Posts:1,728 Points:1,242,220 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 2:29:33 PM Ignore mitt4prez Report Abuse Hopenchange flowering in the People's Soviet of Boulder.
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,041 Points:789,860 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 1:26:03 PM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse To: darkform Re: Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:00:43 AM (See Below) ============================================================== Concerning your comment about whether or not we will ever see lower prices due to "fracking" you are essentially correct that oil (like any resource) has a market value which is determined by the world market. Anytime that you INCREASE the world supply of crude oil (or if there is a DECREASE in demand), there is a tendency for its price to decline. The opposite is also true. DECREASE the supply (or INCREASE the demand) and the price will go up. Some of the emerging countries like China and India are increasing their demand significantly to where it would drive the prices for crude even higher than what they are currently. So you will not likely see a dramatic drop in prices (Either for crude or at the pump) unless the supply is increased accordingly. Your President does a masterful job of speaking out of both sides of his mouth and is also hypocritical in how his administration implements energy policies. The only reason that prices have not escalated into the stratosphere is because there is an energy boom in various parts of the country on PRIVATE AND STATE lands where Federal jurisdiction is limited. We are now a net exporting country of oil for which BO is taking credit, but has actually come about despite his (and his EPA's) efforts to impede said oil and natural gas boom. Also, there are other factors which regulate the prices of crude and its refined products. The counterfeiting of your currency by the Federal Reserve (printing of money a/k/a inflation) happens to be a major cause. If you were to start printing money from the basement of your home, you would end up making little rocks out of big rocks (Prison). But when the government does it, it is called "stimulus". So when this administration pumps $40 BILLION dollars into our economy each MONTH, this competes with the money which is also in circulation and it bids the prices up on oil, gasoline, and consumer goods, as well. How's the cost for groceries doing in your area? [Edited by: SammyAdams at 12/5/2012 1:30:44 PM EST]
OTISFL Champion Author Pensacola Posts:4,590 Points:861,815 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 12:32:46 PM Ignore OTISFL Report Abuse RONALD---I agree 100% with you.
md11capt Champion Author Denver Posts:3,553 Points:707,405 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:40:30 AM Ignore md11capt Report Abuse Amazing how the lackies of BIG OIL want to force their will on other people.
wrunner Champion Author Virginia Posts:4,425 Points:1,132,585 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:14:58 AM Ignore wrunner Report Abuse Ban fracking but legalize marijuana? They are not related but it makes one wonder.
darkform Veteran Author Illinois Posts:352 Points:366,285 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 11:00:43 AM Ignore darkform Report Abuse OK, guys. First off there is no indication that these people were part of any type of "green Movement," just that they were residents. That's all. I dont think we can say that fracking is 100% safe and there are no ill effects that flow from the practice. These people are just concerned. Additionally, some have commented that these people do not want cheap gas or should not complain because they use fossil fuels. This misses the gist of their complaint. They are not against fossil fuels at all, they are against something they feel is not safe. Cheaper gas? Not happening. I haven't seen cheaper gas because of fracking, and I dont know that we will. As long as that oil is exported and sold on the world market, how can you expect a lower price?
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:34,065 Points:2,367,370 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:24:22 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse it takes all kinds, to make a nuthouse
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,041 Points:789,860 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:24:04 AM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse To: Sapper08 Re: Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:05:25 AM (Printed below) "SammyAdams, here's a fact. Fracking forces water AND chemicals, under pressure, into the ground from which we draw our drinking water." ============================================================= Yes, what you are saying is "technically" true, but are you aware of the differences in depth from where we get our drinking water and from where hydraulic fracturing occurs? Hydraulic fracturing has been a process used for four decades with no problems at all. Now, with the advent of the Green Revolution serious allegations such as these (Contamination of water) have been made with NO EVIDENCE to support them. A video making the "Green" circuit reveals a faucet catching fire when lit. After it was proven to have come from methane gas which migrated into their water system NATURALLY, it didn't stop the proliferation of this video by extreme environmentalists with their false and deceptive data. These "greenies" have an agenda commensurate with the United Nations "Agenda 21" which has NOTHING to do with the environment, but EVERYTHING to do with population control. And YOU are just as much of a victim as anyone who is not embracing and propagating their lies. As Nikita Khrushchev once quipped regarding those who advanced their Communist goals: "Some are members, some are not" .
67CTD All-Star Author Tucson Posts:555 Points:143,080 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:11:54 AM Ignore 67CTD Report Abuse I bet all of those people also use horses and wagons to get around town. They never have used any fossil fuels. lol
Buckeyee Champion Author Maine Posts:4,584 Points:895,755 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:02:23 AM Ignore Buckeyee Report Abuse Boulder is full of wealthy liberals who's only concern is themselves. If your middle class, good luck !!
bar1035 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:9,130 Points:1,294,220 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 10:00:36 AM Ignore bar1035 Report Abuse Good idea RONALD777
RONALD777 Champion Author Houston Posts:2,417 Points:359,730 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:46:01 AM Ignore RONALD777 Report Abuse Oil companies should stop selling gasoline in Boulder. That would teach these idiots a lesson.
LilRedWagonIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,756 Points:1,551,135 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:41:32 AM Ignore LilRedWagonIN Report Abuse If you are losing and unable to support your argument, intimidate.
Mark8601 All-Star Author Bakersfield Posts:913 Points:378,765 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:31:17 AM Ignore Mark8601 Report Abuse No fracking way!
StArrow68 Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,237 Points:1,357,240 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:25:06 AM Ignore StArrow68 Report Abuse Sapper08, your fact is just a tad broad, the ground water for drinking comes from much shallower levels than where the drilling process takes place. I'm sure you are also against low cost gas to heat your home just like all the folks in Boulder County, yah, right. Just NIMBY.
doeslayersr Champion Author Illinois Posts:9,087 Points:868,005 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:06:16 AM Ignore doeslayersr Report Abuse The crowd acts like what they are.....
Sapper08 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,049 Points:317,275 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:05:25 AM Ignore Sapper08 Report Abuse SammyAdams, here's a fact. Fracking forces water AND chemicals, under pressure, into the ground from which we draw our drinking water.
Evilmaddog Champion Author British Columbia Posts:3,302 Points:953,550 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:04:53 AM Ignore Evilmaddog Report Abuse Nutz
SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,041 Points:789,860 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 9:02:04 AM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse From the article: ""It is important that we not make decisions out of fear," she said. "Instead decisions based on facts." Before public comment began, Wiedenbeck had requested a security escort from the building and back to her car following her testimony. A group of fracking opponents surrounded and followed her several blocks, shouting at her. "We have spoken, now get out of our county!" one yelled." ============================================================= Many of the Liberals from California, having ruined the economy in California, have emigrated to Colorado and now want to ruin the economy there.
fjkcpa Champion Author Houston Posts:4,475 Points:598,210 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:57:22 AM Ignore fjkcpa Report Abuse Why can't they all just play nice?
dabayer Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:2,731 Points:621,030 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:48:05 AM Ignore dabayer Report Abuse That's not the point. The point is the toxic "proprietary" toxic chemicals they push down into the ground WITHOUT any kind of regulation! Polluted ground water aquifers, anyone???
cdrrod Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:4,134 Points:779,775 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:47:12 AM Ignore cdrrod Report Abuse Way to go!
merlinCO Champion Author Colorado Posts:1,620 Points:337,395 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 5, 2012 8:44:27 AM Ignore merlinCO Report Abuse How many of these protestors drive cars, and use fossil fuels?